FRDB Archives

Freethought & Rationalism Archive

The archives are read only.


Go Back   FRDB Archives > Archives > Religion (Closed) > Biblical Criticism & History
Welcome, Peter Kirby.
You last visited: Yesterday at 03:12 PM

 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 11-29-2007, 09:23 PM   #1
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Mondcivitan Republic
Posts: 2,550
Default Unpublished War scroll

My sources assert that a previously unpublished fragment of the War Scroll is about to be published.

A preliminary transcription has been released:

1.1. I was once out strolling one very hot summer's day
2. When I thought I'd lay myself down to rest
3. In a big field of tall grass
4. I laid there in the sun and felt it caressing my face
5. As I fell asleep and dreamed
6. I dreamed I was in a Hollywood movie
7. And that I was the star of the movie
8. This really blew my mind
9. The fact that me an overfed long haired leaping gnome
10. Should be the star of a Hollywood movie, hmmm

2.1. But there I was
2. I was taken to a place
3. The hall of the mountain kings
4. I stood high by the mountain tops
5. Naked to the world
6. In front of
7. Every kind of girl
8. There was long one's, tall ones, short ones, brown ones,
9. Black ones, round ones, big ones, crazy ones
10. Out of the middle, came a lady
11. [azul cosa de locos pero asi es, bueno, pero todas las cosas estan azul azul, porque estoy](1)
12. She whispered in my ear
13. Something crazy

3.1. She said,
2. Spill the wine, take that pearl
3. Spill the wine, take that pearl
4. Spill the wine, take that pearl
5. Spill the wine, take that pearl

4.1 I thought to myself, what could that mean
2. Am I going crazy,
3. [si aqui pero yo no estoy aqui mi cuerpo no esta aqui esta volando volando, verdad afuera](2)
4. [aqui estoy con mis padres ... ??? ... es mi onda](3)
5. or is this just a dream
6. Now wait a minute
7. I know I'm lying in a field of grass somewhere
8. So it's all in my head

5.1 And then I heard her say one more time
2. Spill the wine dig that girl
3. Spill the wine dig that girl
4. Spill the wine dig that girl
5. Spill the wine dig that girl

6.1 I could feel hot flames of fire roaring at my back
2. As she disappeared, but soon she returned
3. [... ??? ... tengo, tengo](4)
4. In her hand was a bottle of wine
5. In the other a glass
6. She poured some of the wine from the bottle into the glass
7. And raised it to her lips
8. [y esa mujer que le encanta ... ??? ...](5)
9. And just before she drank it, she said

7.1. take the wine dig that girl
2. spill the wine, dig that girl
3. spill the wine, dig that girl
4. spill the wine, dig that girl
5. take that girl, yeah!

8.1 It's on girl, all you gotta do is spill that wine
2. spill that wine, let me feel, let me feel hot, yeah! yeah!
3. spill the wine, spill the wine, spill the wine, spill the wine,
4. spill the wine, spill the wine, spill the wine,
5. dig that girl!

Editor Eric Burdon scandalously suggests that the phrase "take that pearl" is a sexual innuendo.

A few commentators have noted certain changes in language in certain places (refer to notes in text). These are apparently Spanish, a language previously unattested in the DSS. They can be tentatively reconstructed as follows:

(1) Blue thing of the crazies, but that's how it is, right, but everything in blue, blue, because I am … ???
(2) yes here, but I am not here my body is not here my body is flying flying, right, outside
(3) I am here with my parents ... ??? ... it's my deal ...
(4) ??? … I have ...
(5) and this woman likes ... ???

It has been suggested that this composition is actually verse and not prose, although it is hotly contested whether such versification can be documented during the era of composition. If verse, then the Spanish verses must be interpolations.

This ancient composition may have influenced Norwegian playwright Henrik Ibsen's 1867 play _Peer Gynt_, notably the spilling of wine and the frenzied madness, as well as the naming of one of the play's musical scores: "In the Hall of the Mountain King," by Edvard Grieg.

I note the drinking of a substance that produces ecstatic revelations in Ch 8 & 9 roughly corresponds to 4 Ezra (Latin Apocalypse) 14:37-48:

37 So I [Ezra] took the five men as he (the Most High) had commanded
me, and we went forth [into the field] and remained there. 38 And it
came to pass on the morrow that, lo! a voice called me, saying:
Ezra, open thy mouth
and drink what I give thee to drink!
39 Then I opened my mouth, and lo! there was reached unto me a full
cup, which was full as it were with water, but the colour of it was
like fire.
40 And I took it and drank; and when I had drunk
My heart poured forth understanding,
wisdom grew in my breast,
and my spirit retained its memory:
41 and my mouth opened, and was no more shut.
42 And the Most High gave understanding unto the five men, and they
wrote what they were dictated in order, in characters which they knew not.
47 For in them is the spring of understanding,
the fountain of wisdom,
and the stream of knowledge.
48 And I did so ...

Tr. G. H. Box, APOT, vol 2, 1913, pp. 6234

DCH
DCHindley is offline  
Old 11-29-2007, 09:29 PM   #2
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: ירושלים
Posts: 1,701
Default

Mr. Hindley,

I think this time you've really lost your marbles!

Best,

Solitary Man
Solitary Man is offline  
Old 11-29-2007, 09:35 PM   #3
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Mondcivitan Republic
Posts: 2,550
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Solitary Man View Post
Mr. Hindley,

I think this time you've really lost your marbles!

Best,

Solitary Man
Sorry,

Must have been my evil twin, Skippy!

Dang him ...

DCH
DCHindley is offline  
Old 11-29-2007, 09:48 PM   #4
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Mondcivitan Republic
Posts: 2,550
Default

Well,

With all the lunacy and pseudo scholarship to be found here, I didn't think anyone would notice.

Besides, I would contest the notion that DCHindley wrote the OP solely on the basis of his signature ("DCH") and an alleged message header, and shift the burden of proof to Solitary Man to prove that it was actually Hindley, rather than me, or Constantine (well, maybe that is Mountainman's domain).

<Oh, it is time for my medicine ... ?>

Gotta go!

Skippy

Quote:
Originally Posted by DCHindley View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by Solitary Man View Post
Mr. Hindley,

I think this time you've really lost your marbles!

Best,

Solitary Man
Sorry,

Must have been my evil twin, Skippy!

Dang him ...

DCH
DCHindley is offline  
Old 11-29-2007, 09:56 PM   #5
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: ירושלים
Posts: 1,701
Default

Too good, too good. Good to see some sanity here as well. I will admit, though, that I was more than a little disappointed to see that a previously unpublished fragment of the war scroll mentions Hollywood and has parts of it written in Spanish!
Solitary Man is offline  
Old 11-30-2007, 09:30 AM   #6
Contributor
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: London UK
Posts: 16,024
Default

But what if say the song of songs is a similar piece from 2500 years ago that has become holified?

I can see a reason to worship the words of Lennon or Berry or Presley though.

Quando mucho mi amore?
Clivedurdle is offline  
Old 11-30-2007, 10:28 AM   #7
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Mondcivitan Republic
Posts: 2,550
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Clivedurdle View Post
But what if say the song of songs is a similar piece from 2500 years ago that has become holified?

I can see a reason to worship the words of Lennon or Berry or Presley though.

Quando mucho mi amore?
I guess we'll know in 2,473 years.

The lyrics to War's "Spill the Wine" *does* sort of read a little like Ezekiel's vision of the Cheribum, doesn't it?

DCH
DCHindley is offline  
Old 11-30-2007, 12:10 PM   #8
Banned
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Palm Springs, California
Posts: 10,955
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DCHindley View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by Clivedurdle View Post
But what if say the song of songs is a similar piece from 2500 years ago that has become holified?

I can see a reason to worship the words of Lennon or Berry or Presley though.

Quando mucho mi amore?
I guess we'll know in 2,473 years.

The lyrics to War's "Spill the Wine" *does* sort of read a little like Ezekiel's vision of the Cheribum, doesn't it?

DCH
With pattern recognition mode on full force, the mythicists can find parallels between the Bible and almost any text.

Frankly I think Jesus was influenced by The Doors' "Break On Through": "The gate is straight, Deep and wide". Clearly Matthew 7:14 is based on Morrison's lyric
Gamera is offline  
Old 11-30-2007, 12:24 PM   #9
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Mondcivitan Republic
Posts: 2,550
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gamera View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by DCHindley View Post

I guess we'll know in 2,473 years.

The lyrics to War's "Spill the Wine" *does* sort of read a little like Ezekiel's vision of the Cheribum, doesn't it?

DCH
With pattern recognition mode on full force, the mythicists can find parallels between the Bible and almost any text.

Frankly I think Jesus was influenced by The Doors' "Break On Through": "The gate is straight, Deep and wide". Clearly Matthew 7:14 is based on Morrison's lyric
So, time is relative, then?!

Then again, maybe the Doors were influenced by the bible?

But back to the inanity. WRT the unpublished War scroll, Solomon Zeitlin may have been right after all, with the DSS being not just Medieval, but based on 19th century Norwegian plays!

That connects a lot of dots!

Skippy
DCHindley is offline  
Old 11-30-2007, 12:34 PM   #10
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: ירושלים
Posts: 1,701
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DCHindley View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gamera View Post

With pattern recognition mode on full force, the mythicists can find parallels between the Bible and almost any text.

Frankly I think Jesus was influenced by The Doors' "Break On Through": "The gate is straight, Deep and wide". Clearly Matthew 7:14 is based on Morrison's lyric
So, time is relative, then?!

Then again, maybe the Doors were influenced by the bible?

But back to the inanity. WRT the unpublished War scroll, Solomon Zeitlin may have been right after all, with the DSS being not just Medieval, but based on 19th century Norwegian plays!

That connects a lot of dots!

Skippy
If they were based on Ibsen, then clearly Solomon would still have been wrong, since he dated them to the medieval period. Or in other words, he's only half right, which means he's still wrong.
Solitary Man is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 03:06 AM.

Top

This custom BB emulates vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.