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06-07-2007, 10:08 PM | #1 |
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Buddhism in the Hellenistic World and Roman Empire?
I've seen some claims that Buddhist monks had traveled into the Hellenistic world and perhaps also the Roman Empire, but where's the evidence of their doing so?
In Afghanistan, there was a Greco-Buddhist flowering after Alexander the Great's conquests, but I don't know of Buddhists getting any further westward. If they ever did, then they never set up anything close to a permanent presence. In fact, the first awareness of the Buddha west of Afghanistan was likely the centuries-later story of St. Josaphat (see Barlaam and Josaphat), whose biography closely parallels the Buddha's, and whose name is likely Joseph + Bodhisattva (someone very enlightened). The main "evidence" I've seen offered is doctrinal similarities, like with Gnosticism and the Gospel of Thomas. However, I think that such similarities are likely convergence. Consider that some of the Church of Scientology's teachings seem like a science-fictional version of Gnosticism (Yaldabaoth = Xenu, etc.), but it is unlikely that its founder, L. Ron Hubbard, had been very familiar with Gnosticism when he invented Scientology. However, some Scientologists cite Gnostic texts as "proof" that Scientology is compatble with Xianity. For more, scroll down to "Gnosticism" in this page on Scientology. And also consider that the Orphics of Greece, who were apparently around well before Alexander the Great. They had converged on Hinduism and Buddhism in believing in reincarnation and in trying to escape the cycle of rebirths. They believed that one's actions affect how one will be reborn, and if one will escape rebirth in the material world, which is much like the Hindu and Buddhist doctrine of karma (literally, "action"). However, Orphism is apparently home-grown; its mythology is essentially the familiar Olympian mythology with Orphic interpretations added on. Thus, one's body is one's Titan part and one's soul is one's Dionysus part. Some philosophers were strongly influenced by Orphism, like Pythagoras and Plato, who were both pre-Alexander. Pythagoras believed in reincarnation, and Xenophanes made fun of him for doing so: "Once, they say, he was passing by when a dog was being ill-treated. 'Stop,' he said, 'don't hit it! It is the soul of a friend! I knew it when I heard its voice.'" Plato talked about reincarnation and karma in his dialogue Timaeus; Bertrand Russell summarized: "Cowardly or unrighteous men will, in the next life, be women. Innocent light-minded men, who think that astronomy can be learnt by looking at the stars without knowledge of mathematics, will become birds; those who have no philosophy will become wild land-animals; the very stupidest will become fishes." Are there any explicit Buddhist doctrines mentioned? Like the Four Noble Truths:
Or even Buddhist names like "Buddha" (Bouddos, Bouthos, ...)? |
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This is a perennial topic here. Check the second link in particular for historic evidence:
Influence of Buddhism on Christianity Is Christianity Western Buddhism? Was Jesus Buddhist? |
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the following is relevant to some of these claims, who might not readily distinguish between Buddhism and the older Indian traditions. Porphyry (233-305) on the Sramanas Porphyry extensively describes the habits of the Sramanas (whom he calls Samanaeans) in his "On abstinence from animal food" Book IV [5]. He says his information was obtained from "the Babylonian Bardesanes, who lived in the times of our fathers, and was familiar with those Indians who, together with Damadamis, were sent to Caesar": |
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I will concede that there was some knowledge of Buddhism in the Roman Empire. Clement of Alexandria tells us that
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But does anyone ever mention anything more specific than that, like the Four Noble Truths or the Eightfold Path? And Therapeutae = Theravada is nothing but a pun. "Theravada" is the Pali version of the name; a Buddhist monk might instead have used the Sanskrit version, "Sthaviravada". And "Therapeutae" has a rather transparent derivation in Greek from therapeuein, "to serve, administer treatment", which is where we get "therapeutic" from. The -tae is the plural of -tes, a common Greek agent-noun suffix (like English -er). |
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Greeks and Indians had been in direct contact with one another since at least the 6th century BC (when the Persians ruled parts of both India and the Greek world). That the Greeks had some knowledge of Indian traditions is a given. "Indian philosophers" were famous in Aristotle's day (4th century BC), and the Edicts of Ashoka (3rd century BC) state that the Mauryan emperor sent Buddhist missionaries as far west as the Seleucid court. I haven't heard of Buddhists establishing a permanent presence in the Roman world though.
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One of the claimed links is the similarities in biography between the Buddha and Jesus Christ. But I don't find their biographical similarities all that great; where they are similar fits Lord Raglan's Mythic Hero profile fairly well. The two are also described as fulfilling prophecies despite efforts to thwart that fulfillment, something that could be added to Lord Raglan's profile.
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