post tenebras lux

So your god was quite happy for the other revelations to get corrupted? :huh:

Roger Pearse

As far as I know there has never been any scholarly investigation as to whether all the manuscripts of the Koran agree, and as such, such a statement cannot be the product of knowledge. It sounds very improbable.

All the best,

Roger Pearse

primitivefuture

He was not "happy." But, for instance, in the case of Moses, God saved the Hebews and then the Hebrews formed a covenant with god. The Torah (God's revelation to Moses) dealt with how not to break the covenant. For the Muslims, the Quran deals with how not to be disloyal to God, which includes corruption. Different revelations, different prophets, different time in history, different themes, and different issues and solutions. Perhaps this might help:

Peace

primitivefuture

The original Quran is readilly available in the museum in Uzbekistan. Any scholar can easilly compare any Quran to the original Quran word to word to investigate any deviance.

Peace

WWJD4aKlondikeBar

Pbuh??

You forgot John Smith. He was also God's last prophet. If I get your understandably biased answer correctly, Mohammed did not contradict Jesus so much as he contradicted the corrupted, repeated re-scribing of the Bible. There's a book by Bart Ehrman called 'Misquoting Jesus' that covers all that quite clearly. That's not to say that any of this evidence is proof that any of these people talked to God. Heck, my father thinks he talks to God! So as easy as it is to know that 99.9% of the world's prophets are false, it isn't too much of a leap of faith to reason that 100% could be false.

It is also well proven that both Jesus and Mohammed were real people who lived and died. I didn't start this thread to prove or disprove anyone's faith. These subjects just have a way of blossoming like this. I just find it funny that God has so many mouthpieces that just happen to describe his will in ways that suit the individual prophet's culture. Funny, that.

mirage

Um, that isn't the original. No original survives. The complete copies thought to be earliest are the Samarqand and Topkapi codices. There is some controversy over the dates, but they are generally thought to be at least 100yrs post hijra.

There are fragments, e.g. from the Sana mosque attic dating earlier.

primitivefuture

Pbuh = Peace be upon him
Pbut = Peace be upon them.

Correct.

That is understandable. In Islam to be a prophet, one must have the following chracteristics: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamen...odinislam.html

I agree.

Haha, true.

Peace

mirage

Um, that isn't the original. No original survives. The complete copies thought to be earliest are the Samarqand and Topkapi codices. There is some controversy over the dates, but they are generally thought to be at least 100yrs post hijra. There is no real support to the assertion that they are Uthmanic caliphate compilations. Even if they were, this was long after after MPBUH's death.

There are fragments, e.g. from the Sana mosque attic dating earlier than 100yrs.

Muslim traditions have two conflicting accounts of how and when the Quran was assembled.

There is no evidence that it is a perfectly transmitted work of a single author. None. And the variations in style and discrepancies in the early fragments, together with some ahaddith, suggest otherwise.

primitivefuture

This is the original Quran:







Peace.

Solo

Unlike the gospels, the Quran is recited and the oral traditions naturally cross-reference the written word. Variants of the text exist but are minimal and insignificant.

A technical discussion on the variances of the texts from an islamic website

Jiri