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I once forced myself to read the whole Bible (KJ version?) and it was a sad story. The guy dies in the end. My interest in knowing about these poorly edited stories waned and I never did get my hands on a copy of the Qur'an. I do wonder aloud about one thing though. Did Mohammed ever contradict Jesus? My understanding is that Mohammed was supposed to be God's last prophet so did he or Jesus invalidate the other by offering conflicting "word of God" teachings?

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The muslims claim that the bible used by christians (as well as the OT books used by jews) has been corrupted, therefore any 'contradiction' you might think to find between the two 'prophets' can be dismissed by a muslim as being caused by this 'corruption'.

I've often asked muslims for a copy of (or link to) an uncorrupted bible, but answer comes there none (so far).

primitivefuture

Correct.

Yes, there are none. Just use google to realize why the Bible was corrupted. It is not authentic work.

Peace

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Why don't you just tell us "why the Bible was corrupted" and how muslims know that "It is not authentic work" primitivefuture?

Why didn't your god manage to preserve an uncorrupted version of the bible?

mirage

There aren't any. One of the purposes of the Quran is to be the final word from the Big A and correct previous traditions.

We can be sure it is true correct and uncorrupted for four main reasons:

1. It says so, and would Allah lie?

2. It's poetry and language are just so damn perfect that it is plain impossible that a human could have wrote it. (I'm not sure why a demon or devil or djinn couldn't have wrote it though.)

3. Mohammed said it was true, and he was the prophet of God. (it says so clearly in the Quran which he dictated.)

4. Allah has ensured that it cannot get corrupted. And we know he has because it says so.


Obviously he could have kept the Bible uncorrupted, but he was still learning then and now things have been corrected, it should work this time.

Malachi151

You mean was the fictional character Muhammad claimed to have said things that contradict the fictional character Jesus, who himself said things that contradicted the fictional character Moses?

primitivefuture

1.) The life of Muhammad (pbuh) is more detailed that any other holy figure in history. Do you think Buddha was fictional?
2.) How can Muhammad (pbuh) be fictional if his tomb is in Medina?



Also, in Islam, no prophets would contradict each other. Muhammad (pbuh) does not contradict Jesus (pbuh), who doesn't contradict Moses (pbuh)

Peace.

primitivefuture

Mirage:

First of all, the God of the Muslims is the same God as the Christians and Jews, excluding the divity of Jesus/Trinity. Secondly, "Allah" is only the Arabic translation for God. The term was used before Mohammed (pbuh) by Arab Christians and even today Arab Christians call God "Allah." Thus, "Allah" is not implied only to Muslims.

Allah Himself says that he gave revelations to Moses, David, Jesus and Muhammad (pbut). Thus, He did not lie. However, these revelations were corrupted in in written form by Jews and Christians over time. Just using google will give you the historical and Islamic perspective of this corruption.

It varies among people. The Quran was revealed to Muhammad (pbuh) through the angel Gabriel, not the devil or jinn.

He was Allah's messenger.

Allah ensured that the Quran will never be corrupted. The Quran you read today it's the same as the original revelation word to word. We have not altered or modified it to suit today's society.

Peace.

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primitivefuture, given that your god has ensured/is ensuring that the koran will never be corrupted, then why didn't he also ensure that the bible didn't get corrupted?

Why didn't he ensure that his messages to Moses, David, Jesus and X many other prophets didn't get corrupted? Why did he only think of ensuring that his last prophet's (sic) words didn't get corrupted?

primitivefuture

When I speak, I speak from the Muslim perspective. God gave 4 revelations to 4 prophets : Jesus, Moses, David, and Muhammed (pbuh). For each revelation, there is a different theme given the different conditions and time in history of the prophets. One of the major themes of the Quran is corruption and disloyalty to God. God has given different revelations of different themes and different messages. For the Hebrews, we see Jews as the "chosen people" and their covenant with God, for instance.

Because the themes and messages of each revelation is different.