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Sven · 08-28-2006, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Faithful

The scripture I quoted was under the old Levitical law. Jesus brought us the new covenant of love.

Again: Why did he not bring it much earlier? Why would an omnibenevolent being allow for so much suffering until he sent Jesus? Or don't you think that your god is omnibenevolent, Faithful?

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What we sew we shall reap. I am sure you have heard of cases where two twins are raised by different families but still have shared many similar thought patterns. Also, if a parent is an alcoholic, any children in the future generations are pre-destined to have the same genetic structure. That doesn't mean that every child will become an alcoholic, but the weakness is still there for generations to come.

Many times too, a child will see a parent who is involved in organized crime, or whatever, and the child wants to follow in his father's footsteps. This influence could also pass down to many generations.

How does anything in here explain why it's just to punish childrens for the fault of their parents?

FatherMithras · 08-28-2006, 04:24 AM

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What we sew we shall reap. I am sure you have heard of cases where two twins are raised by different families but still have shared many similar thought patterns. Also, if a parent is an alcoholic, any children in the future generations are pre-destined to have the same genetic structure. That doesn't mean that every child will become an alcoholic, but the weakness is still there for generations to come.

Wrong on so many levels. Becoming an alcoholic doesn't weaken genes to make more susceptible children. The underlying weakness in the adult is simply passed, as it was present prior to his becoming an alcoholic. If that weakness wasn't present, than it isn't in the child. Regardless, alcoholic dispositon isn't just genes, it's much more a result of what a child LEARNS from his parents.

FatherMithras · 08-28-2006, 04:25 AM

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Many times too, a child will see a parent who is involved in organized crime, or whatever, and the child wants to follow in his father's footsteps. This influence could also pass down to many generations.

That's called "learning". You learn good and bad traits from your parents. claiming this is evidence of divine wrath passed through generations is like saying blue eyes is similarly a curse.

Faithful · 08-28-2006, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by FatherMithras

That's called "learning". You learn good and bad traits from your parents. claiming this is evidence of divine wrath passed through generations is like saying blue eyes is similarly a curse.

I am not saying that it is divine wrath. God gets blamed for too much evil in this world. It is an evil seed that has planted in one's heritage that passes down throught the generations.

ksen · 08-28-2006, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by llDayo

A man cannot survive for any long period of time in the belly of a whale. That contradicts natural limitations.

Jonah didn't survive in the belly of the great fish. He died in there and was resurrected upon regurgitation.

Amaleq13 · 08-28-2006, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Faithful

God gets blamed for too much evil in this world.

Too much? Not according to your Bible:

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. (Isaiah 45:7, KJV)

FatherMithras · 08-28-2006, 09:51 AM

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I am not saying that it is divine wrath. God gets blamed for too much evil in this world. It is an evil seed that has planted in one's heritage that passes down throught the generations.

Except that there's nothing indicating that. Learning something does not mean the behavior is a seed or any such thing, anymore than the ability to read is. Regardless, if God plants these, seeds of evil, he should be blamed for being a big bastard.

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I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. (Isaiah 45:7, KJV)

I showed this to an Orthodox monk priest and he was thrown back by it. I think the fact an atheist comes to his Bible study, knows the most and can defeat him with scripture is kind of funny. He ended up calling it a "scriptural error" or some such, claiming it was a bad translation in only one version (despite it being in 10 of the 12 I've read.)

ksen · 08-28-2006, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Joan of Bark

My proof that the Judeo/Christian god does not exist? When I ask God if he exists, I get no reply.
Sorry I'm off topic again, but I don't seem to be getting a reply from the believers, so ...

Since when are arguments from silence proof of anything?

Wayne Delia · 08-28-2006, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by llDayo

A man cannot survive for any long period of time in the belly of a whale. That contradicts natural limitations.

It would, if a man could manage to get that far. Whether it's a whale or a fish, the gullet isn't big enough for a man to get through, even before the man has a chance to be poisoned and killed by the whale/fish's gastric juices.

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Originally Posted by ksen

Jonah didn't survive in the belly of the great fish. He died in there and was resurrected upon regurgitation.

Seriously? This is asserted where? The Bible story in the book of Jonah doesn't mention any loss of Jonah's life, and Jesus's parable about the "sign of Jonah" only draws a similarity between the amount of time Jonah was in the fish with the amount of time Jesus would be in the grave. Jesus doesn't mention anything about Jonah dying. If this theory was made up, that's fine, but it gives equal validity to the theory that Jonah being magically shrunk to the size of a baseball so the fish could swallow it, while also being magically protected by a force field provided by Zoltar from the planet Xylon.

WMD

FatherMithras · 08-28-2006, 10:58 AM

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but it gives equal validity to the theory that Jonah being magically shrunk to the size of a baseball so the fish could swallow it, while also being magically protected by a force field provided by Zoltar from the planet Xylon.

*spits out soda laughing*

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