dongiovanni1976x

For someone who doesn't consider themselves a scholar on the subject of Hebrew/OT interpretation & criticism, you seem well versed in the subject. Thank you for the additional information. I will look into those.

So, if you were to pretend to be an inerrantist (this applies to anyone), what are some alternative explanations that could "correct" this [apparent] discrepancy?

Crazy Liz

One reason I'm not an inerrantist is that the alternate explanations tend to raise all kinds of new problems of their own. In this case, I would hypothetically say

1) Michal's name does not appear in all the MSS, so we don't know what was in the original.

2) Some of the names used for Saul's descendants seem to be more titles than names. Is it possible the same title was used of more than one person?

3) This gets really dicey, but someone could try re-pointing the text (i.e. changing the vowels, and possibly also the places where words divide). Sometimes this can be done with a Hebrew text, resulting in an entirely different meaning. I don't know NEARLY enough Hebrew to try this.

dongiovanni1976x

My discussions on this issue always boil down to two Hebrew manuscripts that have Merab mentioned in place of Michal. All copies of the MT show Michal, as far as I am aware.
Regardless, you could make some money as an appologist CrazyLiz- good answers.
Any idea where I can get more information of where these two Hebrew manuscrpts are, when they were found, who translated them and approximately how old they are?

Thanks!

Crazy Liz

Well, just trying to Google, I found this site, which looks pretty good, on the Leningrad Codex:

http://www.usc.edu/dept/LAS/wsrp/edu...radCodex.shtml

This page looks like the best bibliography on the Hebrew Scriptures I could find on an .edu website, although not heavy on MSS info or text criticism:

http://cc.cumberlandcollege.edu/acad.../resources.htm

This article refers to DSS and other variants, with an extensive bibliography of www links. I don't feel able to comment on the quality of the article, but the list of links doesn't seem to be particularly discriminating as to quality:

http://sol.sci.uop.edu/~jfalward/James_Juris.htm

And, from Infidels.org, here is an article on OT text criticism and translation:

http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...ll/chap32.html

I haven't read it all, but it does seem to have been written by a fair, mainstream scholar.

I know I could find much better resources in a university library, but that's not where I am today. Hope these are helpful.

offa

David was a eunuch.

Sam 1-16.19 Wherefore Saul sent messengers unto Jesse, and said,
Send me David thy son, which is with the sheep.


Sheep are members of a harem. A eunuch is assigned to guard the king's
harem. There is no record of David being the first husband of any
princess. All of David's wives were already married to someone else.

Eve was called Adam's wife because she was taken from her
husband.

My point is, David's wife Bathsheba is the important bloodline.
She was Solomon's mother ... blood lines can only be traced through
"mommy". A true Jew bloodline goes through the mommy. Bathsheba
probably was Michal.

A better title for this thread is "Who's the Daddy?.



offa

edited to correct my signature

offa

dongiovanni1976x

If David was an eunuch, then how could he of had any children at all. This reminds me of another error in the gospel of Matthew where Jesus says that some eunuchs are "born that way." But a proper definition of an eunuch is a male born with testicles and then at a later time having those testicles removed.

offa

we have a problem with "age" and "daddy" and "begat" and "born". Begat does not mean born. Begat means bar mitzvah. You have to add 12 years to begat in order to get the true age of the child.

Shem was Noah's oldest "Child" because he was not Ham and Japheth's father. Shem was the youngest. They had the same mother but not the same "daddy". He "begat" them. Like, he "knighted" them. "Casting Lots" means, "this is how it is". There is no fair betting.

Eunuchs are "begat that way". They get castrated after they are born, not after they are begat.

offa

dongiovanni1976x

Is this something you discovered by studying Josephus? Are you an apostate Jew yourself? How did you come to this belief?
I have never considered anything like this before.

Anat

offa, what is your source for your interpretation of 'begat'? In Hebrew it is 'holid' from the root 'yld' (with the yod (consonant y) changing to a holam (o) ). From the same root we have yalad - gave birth, yeled - child, yiled - assisted in birth, meyledet - midwife. 'yld' is related to childbirth, one way or another.