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Toto · 09-08-2010, 11:09 AM

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Taunton said he drove Hitchens to Birmingham this week from the Washington, D.C., area, and had Hitchens read aloud the prologue of the Gospel of John, which they then discussed.

Hitchens referred to that in the debate, saying that if Taunton found out Jesus did not exist, it would ruin his life.

Taunton responded at the end of the debate. "It would ruin my life," he said. "It would suggest this life is a sham."

Hitchens shook his head. "Don't give up so easily," he said.

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Hitchens, who has lost his hair since he debated Lennox in Birmingham last year, said he is in his fourth course of chemotherapy and it has shrunk the tumors. Hitchens said he continues to write and hopes to do a book about the Ten Commandments.

The debate will be shown on C-SPAN at some point. I wonder what it is about the prologue to the gospel of John that requires a historical Jesus?

WVIncagold · 09-08-2010, 11:35 AM

Jesus does exist he does my dads grass. Oh you mean the Jewish guy with the Latin name. Nope still would not make a difference.

Juststeve · 09-08-2010, 01:39 PM

Wouldn't matter in the least. Just an interesting intellectual puzzle.

Steve

aa5874 · 09-08-2010, 02:01 PM

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Christopher Hitchens in debate

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Taunton said he drove Hitchens to Birmingham this week from the Washington, D.C., area, and had Hitchens read aloud the prologue of the Gospel of John, which they then discussed.

Hitchens referred to that in the debate, saying that if Taunton found out Jesus did not exist, it would ruin his life.

Taunton responded at the end of the debate. "It would ruin my life," he said. "It would suggest this life is a sham."

Hitchens shook his head. "Don't give up so easily," he said.

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Hitchens, who has lost his hair since he debated Lennox in Birmingham last year, said he is in his fourth course of chemotherapy and it has shrunk the tumors. Hitchens said he continues to write and hopes to do a book about the Ten Commandments.

The debate will be shown on C-SPAN at some point. I wonder what it is about the prologue to the gospel of John that requires a historical Jesus?

Again we see that those who argue for an historical Jesus have the least idea what they are arguing about. They promote MYTHOLOGY and think it is history.

The prologue to John is NOT about an historical Jesus, it is about an entity that was a God, the Word, who was BEFORE anything was made and was the Creator of heaven and earth.

John 1 is EVIDENCE for a MYTHOLOGICAL Jesus.

It is simply mind-boggling that so-called "HJers" have not come to grips with reality. They are NOT arguing history but promoting MYTHOLOGY.

John 1:1-3 -

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1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made...

The prologue to John 1 is EVIDENCE, the written Evidence, of the MYTH.

Juststeve · 09-08-2010, 02:06 PM

That the prologue to John is myth, or perhaps more accurately theology is certain. That does not mean everything else in the Gospel of John is myth as well.

Steve

Solo · 09-08-2010, 02:24 PM

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Taunton responded at the end of the debate. "It would ruin my life," he said. "It would suggest this life is a sham."

Funny, I always thought the the next life is the sham. This life qualifies merely as outrageous nonsense.

Mickey Mouse said that after reading about the fatwa on him. :huh:

Best,
Jiri

Clivedurdle · 09-08-2010, 02:25 PM

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That the prologue to John is myth, or perhaps more accurately theology is certain. That does not mean everything else in the Gospel of John is myth as well.

Steve

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Superman is the sole survivor of the planet Krypton. His father, Jor-El, discovered that a nuclear chain reaction was building inside Krypton that would soon shatter the entire world. Jor-El therefore had his unborn son Kal-El removed from the Kryptonian Gestation Chambers and affixed the life matrix containing Kal-El to an experimental vessel for travel through hyperspace. Jor-El launched the starcraft toward Earth just before Krypton exploded.

http://www.superherostuff.com/Biogra...permanBio.html

aa5874 · 09-08-2010, 02:56 PM

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That the prologue to John is myth, or perhaps more accurately theology is certain. That does not mean everything else in the Gospel of John is myth as well.

Steve

Well, are you referring to the resurrection of the WORD?

Are you referring to the resurrection of Lazarus by the WORD?

Are you referring to the post-resurrection activities of the WORD when IT cooked and ate fish?

Are you referring to the walking on the sea by the WORD?

What do you KNOW in gJohn that is historical about the WORD?

Once you AGREE that the prologue is MYTH, that the ORIGIN of the WORD is MYTH, then surely that does NOT mean NOTHING else is MYTH.

It is LIKELY that it means EVERYTHING about the WORD is MYTH.

Please state what you KNOW is not MYTH about the WORD in gJohn.

You must KNOW what the WORD means in John1.1-3.

The WORD means MYTH.

spamandham · 09-08-2010, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Juststeve

That the prologue to John is myth, or perhaps more accurately theology is certain. That does not mean everything else in the Gospel of John is myth as well.

Steve

While it's true that a mythical prologue does not *necessitate* that everything else is myth, but it certainly implies it.

aa5874 · 09-08-2010, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Juststeve

That the prologue to John is myth, or perhaps more accurately theology is certain. That does not mean everything else in the Gospel of John is myth as well.

Steve

While it's true that a mythical prologue does not *necessitate* that everything else is myth, but it certainly implies it.

Juststeve just has to IDENTIFY what he KNOWS is NOT MYTH about the WORD in gJohn.

He has ALREADY agreed that the prologue about the WORD is certain MYTH.

In the beginning the WORD was God.

In the middle the WORD walked on water.

In the END the WORD resurrected.

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09-08-2010, 11:35 AM	#2
WVIncagold Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: West Virginina Posts: 4,349	Jesus does exist he does my dads grass. Oh you mean the Jewish guy with the Latin name. Nope still would not make a difference.

09-08-2010, 01:39 PM	#3
Juststeve Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Dallas Texas Posts: 758	Wouldn't matter in the least. Just an interesting intellectual puzzle. Steve

09-08-2010, 02:06 PM	#5
Juststeve Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Dallas Texas Posts: 758	That the prologue to John is myth, or perhaps more accurately theology is certain. That does not mean everything else in the Gospel of John is myth as well. Steve

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