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Clivedurdle · 10-04-2006, 12:09 PM

Chimera? (Original version)

http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=181680

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The topic is "Chimeras" - Originally, it's a word derived from greek meaning a merging of two creatures - a generic term for things like pegasus, mantacore, and so on - all those mixtures of "part animal A, part animal B" critters from the old stories.

And Jesus!

teknoise · 10-04-2006, 12:47 PM

Its too hard to say for sure what he was/or if he existed at all. So I chose "other".

Obviously he was no man-god, but I believe that he still existed as a leader or teacher and his story was just blown WAY our of proportion. Maybe. Maybe he never existed at all, or maybe he was two or three different people that got squished into one character in the book. I dunno. Too much time has passed, and the paper trail is too incomplete.

But if he did exist, I'm sure him and his followers got fucked up on magic brownies every weekend.

Jobar · 10-04-2006, 07:11 PM

I think that the proportion of mythicists has been increasing over time, since I first came to this forum.

Speaking personally, the more I learn about BC&H, the more correct and coherent the mythicist position seems, and the less arguable any other position becomes.

Stumpjumper · 10-04-2006, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jobar

I think that the proportion of mythicists has been increasing over time, since I first came to this forum.

Speaking personally, the more I learn about BC&H, the more correct and coherent the mythicist position seems, and the less arguable any other position becomes.

Hah.

You know what's funny is that I find the mythicist position historically laughable and it is one of the main reasons that I really stopped posting here anywhere other than the CF thread regularly...

IMO, it seems somewhat pointless to even discuss here where the majority opinion of the posters is pretty much scoffed at even by secular scholars let alone has no foundation in scripture...

FunkyDemon · 10-04-2006, 07:37 PM

A compilation of myths taken from other cultures.

Stumpjumper · 10-04-2006, 08:19 PM

Looking at the poll results I would have to say maybe ignorance really is bliss...

aa5874 · 10-04-2006, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Stumpjumper

IMO, it seems somewhat pointless to even discuss here where the majority opinion of the posters is pretty much scoffed at even by secular scholars let alone has no foundation in scripture...

Does the scripture have any foundation? And for your information, it is very difficult and most unlikely to discuss anything which will not be scoffed at. Perhaps, you should wait until you go to Heaven.

Chidori · 10-04-2006, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by FunkyDemon

A compilation of myths taken from other cultures.

This is my guess, too.

aa5874 · 10-04-2006, 11:44 PM

I voted 'myth' probably should have tried 'Magical brownies'. In any event, I still think the HJ position is not valid unless they can show some irrefutable evidence, not just plausibilties.

For example, if someone is missing, just claiming that you believe, or that it is probable that the person is alive, does not, in any way, confirm the state of the missing person. What we have is a missing person, that is the only factual position, any other is speculation.

Again, with regards to Jesus, I have found no verifiablle data to show that such a character existed, the book that contains the character has credibilty problems; no apologist have offered any credible information. So to say Jesus existed is mere speculation, without any corrobarated explanation. Speculation of Jesus' existence has no bearing whatsoever on his historicity. The historicity of Jesus must be proven not speculated.

If I believe a 'unicorn' or a 'mermaid' exist because it is plausible, my belief does not affect their existence or non-existence. I must produce documented proof to back my belief.

So far, no HJer can produce anything to back their plausibilities, just unsubstantiated speculation.

drewjmore · 10-05-2006, 06:15 AM

For me, a completely mythical JC would embody far fewer contradictions in word & deed. I feel that the kernel of truth is that there once was a man (or an amalgam of several) who spoke against the Romans & the Hebrew leadership. They killed him. The 'real' details are lost to history.

View Poll Results: He was...
A god-man hybrid and savior of humanity	4	5.97%
A wisdom sage	7	10.45%
An apocalyptic prophet	12	17.91%
An anti-Roman revolutionary leader	6	8.96%
A Jewish holy man	7	10.45%
Something else (please explain)	6	8.96%
A myth	34	50.75%
Magical brownies	6	8.96%
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10-04-2006, 12:47 PM	#12
teknoise Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Winnipeg, MB, Canada Posts: 1,388	Its too hard to say for sure what he was/or if he existed at all. So I chose "other". Obviously he was no man-god, but I believe that he still existed as a leader or teacher and his story was just blown WAY our of proportion. Maybe. Maybe he never existed at all, or maybe he was two or three different people that got squished into one character in the book. I dunno. Too much time has passed, and the paper trail is too incomplete. But if he did exist, I'm sure him and his followers got fucked up on magic brownies every weekend.

10-04-2006, 07:11 PM	#13
Jobar Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: secularcafe.org Posts: 9,525	I think that the proportion of mythicists has been increasing over time, since I first came to this forum. Speaking personally, the more I learn about BC&H, the more correct and coherent the mythicist position seems, and the less arguable any other position becomes.

10-04-2006, 07:37 PM	#15
FunkyDemon Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 424	A compilation of myths taken from other cultures.

10-04-2006, 08:19 PM	#16
Stumpjumper Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The general vicinity of Philadelphia Posts: 4,734	Looking at the poll results I would have to say maybe ignorance really is bliss...

10-04-2006, 11:44 PM	#19
aa5874 Contributor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: the fringe of the caribbean Posts: 18,988	I voted 'myth' probably should have tried 'Magical brownies'. In any event, I still think the HJ position is not valid unless they can show some irrefutable evidence, not just plausibilties. For example, if someone is missing, just claiming that you believe, or that it is probable that the person is alive, does not, in any way, confirm the state of the missing person. What we have is a missing person, that is the only factual position, any other is speculation. Again, with regards to Jesus, I have found no verifiablle data to show that such a character existed, the book that contains the character has credibilty problems; no apologist have offered any credible information. So to say Jesus existed is mere speculation, without any corrobarated explanation. Speculation of Jesus' existence has no bearing whatsoever on his historicity. The historicity of Jesus must be proven not speculated. If I believe a 'unicorn' or a 'mermaid' exist because it is plausible, my belief does not affect their existence or non-existence. I must produce documented proof to back my belief. So far, no HJer can produce anything to back their plausibilities, just unsubstantiated speculation.

10-05-2006, 06:15 AM	#20
drewjmore Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Close to Chicago, closer to Joliet Posts: 1,593	For me, a completely mythical JC would embody far fewer contradictions in word & deed. I feel that the kernel of truth is that there once was a man (or an amalgam of several) who spoke against the Romans & the Hebrew leadership. They killed him. The 'real' details are lost to history.

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