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hope's daughter · 09-30-2003, 01:24 AM

This is just for the record. At the time of this accident I was 16, my faith in God was not the highest of priorities. Think about when you were 16 where your head is and I bet it is not GOD. I climbed up an embankment and it seemed like a slap in the face after surviving the initial accident and I was so angry that night I cussed GOD out walking down that highway after climbing up this embankment. It was very graveliy and I kept slipping. Then when I got to the railing and pulled myself onto the highway you can imagine what I looked like. No one would stop. Finallly what seemed like an eternity a truck driver had the decency to stop and radio for help. Two people lived in that accident and two died. I blamed GOD so this was not something I attributed in a positive way to Him other than I had beaten death. I used to have pictures of the car becuase I could not believe I made it out alive nor my mother. But no It was hurtful and I blamed Him for what happened and I carried a scar from it. About 4 months after this happened my life changed and I moved to England....

God really did not become important to me until 1989...until then He was always behind the scenes so to speak...

BYW I have not talked about this for years..

hope's daughter · 09-30-2003, 01:44 AM

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Originally posted by reprise
No. YOU, quite specifically, start topics in the "serious" forums and then think that because you are the OP YOUR rules about what will be discussed in those threads and by whom should be given a higher priority than the rules of the SecWeb in general and Infidels in particular.

You DIDN'T try to stay within the rules. You completely disregarded the rules despite having been reminded of them by members and moderators alike.

Ironically, Elsewhere can only become your home if you persist in disregarding the rules around here. You can't START a thread in Elsewhere. Will you be complaining about your persecution at the hands of Infidels in a couple of weeks time?

Edited to add that I'm aware that I'm treading a fine line here between telling it like it is and launching into an attack ad fem attack. I do not believe that I have yet crossed that line.

I think you don't know what you are talking about. I like this site tremendously and try to work within the parameters of these forums but you must remembert I am a Christian. I know there is a God and I insert Him every chance I can get because all too often we forget Him and without God this is all meaningless mumbo jumbo. I don't mind them assigning ~Elsewhere~ my home. Heck they can put my name on it and I would not complain.

Rules are good if they are for everyone. But some rules are just asking to be broken. Maybe it is just me but I still have not as yet seen anything in the rules about staying on topic. Shoot if they do heve a rule like that and they can get people to abide by it more power to them. I think it would be a difficult thisn to monitor.

Everyone has been nice here and when I first came here I thought, "Gosh are you crazy." And then I realize there are only human beings here and if I treat them in kind they will treat me in kind. You see Christians actually talk like this. They have an inner dialoge with themselves, reassure themselves, and approach sitiuations with reason the same as infidels and in certain intances you would not be able to tell the infidels from the Christians and th Christians from the infidels.

Any Whoooo...

God bless you reprise

hope's daughter · 09-30-2003, 02:12 AM

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Originally posted by Soul Invictus
I understand that your accident was an emotional experience, as it should be...your life was on the line. However it was very intimate and personal to you. Your experience was subjective in nature, and you said in the beginning of this thread that Christianity is not just subjective but objective. Well objectivity by definition means it should be applicable to all people. I am not trying to one up you, however when I was 10 I was in a terrible accident that may rival your experience. My family was hit by 2 semi trucks doing highway speed. I am very thankful that I survived that situation, however I do not attribute it to Jesus, so your experience is no more proof of Jesus' goodness than mine is of proof that because I don't have an affinity to Jesus, that he is of any less credence. I guess the point I'm making is that bad things..no terrible things happen to people all the time. This is an evident proof of life. People are appreciative and thankful for escaping certain negative consequences such as death. With the majority of the world being theistic in nature, this success in the midst of trouble is societally attributed to God. For your car accident that Jesus answered your prayer for, there are Muslims and Buddhists claiming the same thing, so what gives your experience any creedance over the others, is my question? Personal experiences never are objective because they are biased to the one experiencing it (not to mention they are the only ones who can experience it)

As I have related above for you and at the time of my accident it did not lead to a stronger appreciation of God but less. I blamed him. I was then thrust into a situation I did not want. I had to move to England. My accident was both subjective and objective as most experiences are

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Now I would ask what does your story tell me? That you experienced an emotional, possibly traumatic experience, which fosters your certainty for your God belief. This is nothing new. This is why religion is perpetuated all the time. Malcolm X saw a vision which was surreal that he could not explain it either. This is usually how personal experiences go. This type of appeal has little to no effect on the crowd here, because I'm sure most of the posters here won't find the fundamental parts of my post disagreeable to their line of reasoning.(If I assume errantly, do let me know.)

Discussions can be entertained, but you'll want to try a different approach than this..just my suggestion.

This is only one experience among many that I could captivate your attention with. I do not normally share these personal experiences with anyone since a lot of times you get a knee jerk reaction like, "Yeah right." There is a God and He is knowable because He created the Universe so when we study the universe we are studying how God thinks. When we study the Bible we are coming to know Him through His word. So when He reaches out to you, you are truly amazed 1.because you don't expect it and 2. You are caught off guard 3. you find out that there really is a God and He is interested in you. This can happen to any one so please do not give up hope. Pray yes pray and call out to God and you will find you will not be disappointed. Tonight when I go to sleep again I will pray for you.

hope's daughter · 09-30-2003, 02:18 AM

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Originally posted by Celsus
Sigh. If you want to claim that the Ramesses inscription supports evidence for the Hebrews in Egypt, you need to show that 'Apiru (also "Khabiri" according to your outdated source, which is what is actually on the stele) actually equals "Hebrews." You have not demonstrated this, and my first post to you was to raise the doubt about the 'Apiru being "Hebrew" and more of a social class. Once you've got that done, you need to establish that the Ramesses stele refers to Hebrews during Moses' time. You have not. Then you have to demonstrate that the cities of Pithom and Ramses as mentioned in Exodus 1:11 to which the Ramesses inscription is supposedly a confirmation of, actually existed in the Late Bronze Age, and did not actually rise in the Iron Age II, as all the evidence points to. Finally, you need to read some proper scholarship before you reply further.

Joel

Maybe we should first establish that you exist and save me the trouble. Are we in a crazy age or what?

Ronin · 09-30-2003, 02:21 AM

what.

hope's daughter · 09-30-2003, 02:24 AM

I can't establish all that and how do I know I need to just because Joel says so well who is Joel? Does he really exist? And if he does prove it.

hope's daughter · 09-30-2003, 02:34 AM

Joel how do I know what you have typed is truth? It is rather fancy and alot of times I take people at their word. I do know this that in Samuel it speaks about the bronze age and the Philistines and the Israelites getting weapons from them. I also know bronze is before iron but whether you speak truth or even exist I have no way of knowing. You could be some ghost.

Ronin · 09-30-2003, 02:40 AM

Well, you know enough about existence to eat food, take dumps and stay away from playing in heavy highway traffic, hope's daughter.

I suggest you use the same notion of the logical assessment of reality in this thread as well.

Cloudwalking is for the mystics who aren't even trying to know the truth before them.

hope's daughter · 09-30-2003, 02:43 AM

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Originally posted by Ronin
Well, you know enough about existence to eat food, take dumps and stay away from playing in heavy highway traffic, hope's daughter.

I suggest you use the same notion of the logical assessment of reality in this thread as well.

Cloudwalking is for the mystics who aren't even trying to know the truth before them.

I am making a point as I always do in my own way. All we have to offer in this realm is words...just like the Bible. So truth must be ascertained with what lines up with reality. There is a reality. Things happen in a particular way and we live in an orderly universe despite ourselves.

Ronin · 09-30-2003, 02:51 AM

And an analysis of words based on logic and rational thought is what we have as well.

There is no exception for "holy" writings.

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09-30-2003, 01:24 AM	#91
hope's daughter Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: middle earth Posts: 601	This is just for the record. At the time of this accident I was 16, my faith in God was not the highest of priorities. Think about when you were 16 where your head is and I bet it is not GOD. I climbed up an embankment and it seemed like a slap in the face after surviving the initial accident and I was so angry that night I cussed GOD out walking down that highway after climbing up this embankment. It was very graveliy and I kept slipping. Then when I got to the railing and pulled myself onto the highway you can imagine what I looked like. No one would stop. Finallly what seemed like an eternity a truck driver had the decency to stop and radio for help. Two people lived in that accident and two died. I blamed GOD so this was not something I attributed in a positive way to Him other than I had beaten death. I used to have pictures of the car becuase I could not believe I made it out alive nor my mother. But no It was hurtful and I blamed Him for what happened and I carried a scar from it. About 4 months after this happened my life changed and I moved to England.... God really did not become important to me until 1989...until then He was always behind the scenes so to speak... BYW I have not talked about this for years..

09-30-2003, 02:21 AM	#95
Ronin Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Mississippi Posts: 5,047	what.

09-30-2003, 02:24 AM	#96
hope's daughter Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: middle earth Posts: 601	I can't establish all that and how do I know I need to just because Joel says so well who is Joel? Does he really exist? And if he does prove it.

09-30-2003, 02:34 AM	#97
hope's daughter Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: middle earth Posts: 601	Joel how do I know what you have typed is truth? It is rather fancy and alot of times I take people at their word. I do know this that in Samuel it speaks about the bronze age and the Philistines and the Israelites getting weapons from them. I also know bronze is before iron but whether you speak truth or even exist I have no way of knowing. You could be some ghost.

09-30-2003, 02:40 AM	#98
Ronin Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Mississippi Posts: 5,047	Well, you know enough about existence to eat food, take dumps and stay away from playing in heavy highway traffic, hope's daughter. I suggest you use the same notion of the logical assessment of reality in this thread as well. Cloudwalking is for the mystics who aren't even trying to know the truth before them.

09-30-2003, 02:51 AM	#100
Ronin Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Mississippi Posts: 5,047	And an analysis of words based on logic and rational thought is what we have as well. There is no exception for "holy" writings.

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