Contemptuoso

Hi. so omniscience means having the total amount of knowledge shared collectively by mankind? I don't entirely understand how this concept fits in with a god who created everything around us. So does omnipresence mean that he is everywhere that man is?
Not omnipotenet in the respect that he is everything and everywhere. what does god discover through us is it experience of emotion and situations in life. Because it can't be any scientific discoveries as he already must hold the answers there.

If there is no defined concept of heaven in the bible, is there a clear indication that we should want to experience it? Are there just the two alternatives, heaven and hell, good and bad?

Thank you once again for your responses.

Chili

Nono. Omniscience means to know everything you can possible have knowledge of and that pertains only to that which exists in our soul wherein we must come 'full circle.'

God is in all of existence, yes, and each is a God in his own right once we arrive at the place we first started but know it as if for the first time.Emotions are human. God just takes advantage of this.No, there is hot, lukewarm and cold. Hot and cold are good, lukewarm is bad.

Lukewarm is when you have entered the race and cannot complete it. It is life having your ass set on fire for Jesus as an end in itself while he is just the means to the end, like a wheel barrow, or some such.


I am gone for the day, sorry to be so obnoxious. Have a good one.

Wallener

Invite him to this site.



No. Heaven and hell are much later creations, in original form the beliefs had neither. This life was it: when you died, you died.

NottyImp

I'd like a nice French Dressing with that word-salad, please.

Chili

Well it is very easy if you consider that you are your father's son, who was his father's son and so on and on. This makes us incarnate beings with a soul nature of our own wherein the reign of God is found.

If you look at Plato's theories of "tying down" and "recollecting" it makes sense that whatever was tied down by previous generations will be ours to recollect. This same would be true with "what is loosed on earth is loosed in heaven and what is tied on earth is tied in heaven" except that this is limited to our own contribution of richess in heaven.

Chili

But that still is true today. We now have the first and second death since Jesus showed us how to do that. To be sure, he died to his ego identity first to become fully man in the Thousand Year Reign and his second death is where that came to an end. In this sense is the TYR just our exposure to our richess in heaven that have been accumilating there for up to a thousand years . . . wherefore time-as-such is not known in our intuit mind where this reign is found.

Diogenes the Cynic

Hello, Contemptuoso.
I think you first need to understand that the Bible does not present a single, unified, consistent or coherent set of theological beliefs. It is not one book but a library of books compiled over several centuries by many different authors with varying (and sometimes contradictory) agendas and theological ideas. The Bible tracks the evolution of a religious culture and many ideas changed over time,

The character of "satan" is different in the Old Testament than in the New. In the OT (and in Judaism), Satan (which means "adversary" in Hebrew) is not evil but just an obedient servant to God. His job is to question God and challenge him. And as pointed out above, God himself was not always seen as omniscient or omnipotent. some parts of the Bible indicate that he is, others that he is not.

It was Christians who first conceived the character of Satan as an evil anti-God, but even the NT says very little about him. The story about "Lucifer" rebelling against God and being cast out of Heaven is not in the Bible. Even the name, "Lucifer," is not applied to satan but is just a misinterpretation of a Latin Vulgate translation referring to the planet Venus.

One more point that may be worth mentioning is that the serpent in the Adam and Eve story is not Satan but is just a talking snake. The identification of the serpent as Satan is a Christian retrojection into a Sumerian creation myth. The author of that story would not yet have even had any concept of a "devil" as Christians think of him.

Toto

They key word here is that they "seemed" to have a very deep understanding of the Bible. That's very different from actually understanding it.

Beware: there are very intelligent people who cling to absurd ideas, who use their intelligence to find ways to believe in what they have decided to believe for emotional or cultural reasons. Their intelligence just makes it harder to find the gaps in their reasoning.

This one Christian might have answered all of your questions "convincingly" but still be wrong.

Feel free to reproduce his arguments here.

judge

The bible does not claim God created Lucifer or that Lucifer is necessarily a being like man with free will etc...

Chris Weimer

judge - yes it does (at least the first one) - for it says that god made all things except the eternal waters.