noah

One of the most cherished Christina notions is that JC was pure, that he was unblemished by sin, that he, in fact, never committed a sin. Well I don't know whose book the Christinas are reading but when you take a look at the New Testament it quickly becomes obvious that JC was as full of sin as any of us.

Among his sins:

He lied

He lied about his teachings to the high priest after he was arrested. Jesus stated he always taught in the synagogues or at the temple.
John 18:19-20
The high priest then asked Jesus of his disciples, and of his doctrine.
Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever (always) taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing.

However, we know from two verses in Matthew that this statement is false. It is a lie:

Matt 5:1-3 he (Jesus) went up into a mountain
And seeing the multitudes,: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:
And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,
Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Matt 13:1-3
The same day went Jesus out of the house, and sat by the sea side.
And great multitudes were gathered together unto him, so that he went into a ship, and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore.
And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;...etc



JC disobeyed the commandment to be fruitful and multiply.

Be fruitful and multiply (Genesis 1:28 ). This obligates a person to marry and have children. Jesus remained single his entire life. He also encouraged others to disobey this commandment by recommending celibacy (Matthew 19:12). See also JC's declamation aginst those who teach disobeyance of the law Matt 5:19

He taught others to break the laws

As he said himself, eaching others to break the law is a serious sin(Matt 5:19)
Yet we know he teaches disobedience of God's laws on a number of occasions. Preaching celibacy is one (Matthew 19:12). He also told people to be disrespectful of their parents and worse he told them to put him ahead of their families (Matthew 10:37)

He violated the commandments with respect to honoring your parents. and called on his followers to hate their parents; he also dishonored his own mother (Matthew 10:34-36; Matthew 12:46-50; Luke 14:26).

He failed to observe the Sabbath by picking grain

Torah states "picking" is forbidden:

Quote:
Numbers 15:32. (the Israelites) found a man picking wood on the Sabbath day. . . .35. The L-rd said to Moses, The man shall be put to death; the entire congregation shall pelt him with stones outside the camp. 36. So the entire congregation took him outside the camp, and they pelted him to death with stones, as the L-rd had commanded Moses.

The seventh day is a Sabbath. You are supposed to rest on this day. You don't work (Exodus 20:9). Jesus defended his hungry disciples when they plucked grain on the Sabbath. This is agricultural labor and is unquestionably a violation of the Sabbath. Friday is called preparation day according to the Torah(Exo 16:29). You are to prepare the Sabbath meals on Friday because no work is to be done.The disciples in the fields didn't have a valid excuse to be ignoring the law. It wasn't the Passover or any special holiday that might have exempted them.
Christians sometimes try to explain this away saying that Jesus was revealing the true meaning of the Sabbath when he said,The Sabbath is not made for man; man is made for the Sabbath (Mark 2:27). This claim is untenable. It violates Torah. Deuteronomy 17:8-13 says that we are to follow the Jewish High Court in disputes of Jewish law and this requirement is recognized by Jesus himself (Matthew 23:2). But guess who JC's arguing with in Mark? It is the same Jewish legal authorities who are Biblically authorized to interpret the Law! It is the same Pharisees that JC says we must obey to the letter in order to be saved Matt 5:20.

The only way you can break Sabbath is if your life is threatened.
If Jesus meant that they were starving and their lives were threatened, the Gospel account must be fictional. Talmudic (Pharisee) law agrees this [lives were threatened] would be a reason to violate the Sabbath (Talmud Yoma ch.8 ). However, the Rabbis would not have quarreled with Jesus if this were the case. If there was no danger to life, then plucking grain violates the Sabbath and the apostles were probably guilty of theft for eating from a field not theirs.
Xians like to try the "he did it too" defense and say JC gets away with violating the Sabbath because King David ate the showbread. One or two problems here. First, David's life was in danger. He was being pursued by Saul. Second he was ritually clean. In JCs case no one was at war with them, they could have simply asked for food at any home, as Jewish people are famous for Shabbat hospitality. Instead, they chose to pick grain. When Jesus was challenged, he did not claim that his followers were starving (hence claiming that the act
was legal), but he started to say that David and the Priests (depending
which Gospel you are looking at) also violated laws. Besides being
incorrect in his understanding of Jewish law and history, Jesus doesn't
actually address the claims of the Pharisees against him. He tries to shift the blame by mis-representing the actions of David
and the priests. So, Jesus has made false claims against David and the
priests, and never actually provides a true defense of his actions.
Furthermore, Jesus tries to add to the David story by claiming David had some men with him. There were no men with David when he stopped for bread.

JC fails to wash his hands before he eats

Jews are commanded to wash our hands before they eat. (Exodus 30:18-21, Deuteronomy 21:6 and Leviticus 15:11). An entire tractate of the Mishnah (Yadayim) is devoted to impurity of the hands.

However JC violates this command and as usual tries the "he did it too!" defence:
Matthew 15:1-3 Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, "Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don't wash their hands before they eat!" Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of G-d for the sake of your tradition?

He killed a fruit bearing tree

Jews are forbidden (by the WRITTEN Torah) from killing a fruit bearing tree -- even in time of war.
Deuteronomy 20:19 . . .(you) must not destroy its (fruit) trees, wielding an ax against any food producing tree."

Yet JC kills a fruit tree simply because it will not bear fruit out of season. Does JC have any good reasons for JC breaking this particular law? No.

JC ate on fast days Mark 2: 18 "Now John's disciples and the Pharisees were fasting. Some people came and asked J*, "How is it that John's disciples and the disciples of the Pharisees are fasting, but yours are not?"

No Robots

And Jesus said to him: Why dost thou call me good? None is good but God alone.

Luke 18:19

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In some ways, this makes the mythicist case easier.

Think about it, if Jesus wasn't sinless according to Jewish law, why did the epistle to the hebrews think of him as without sin? Because they didn't have a human who had lived in the recent past in mind.

exile

OK

(devil's advocate mode ON)

- Sin is by definition action contrary to God's will. Jesus = God
and therefore no action of Jesus was a sin

- Jesus only had a half set of chromosomes so couldn't reproduce

pharoah

To add to this some of the many times that he told his disciples to keep a message secret or deliberately obscured it:


Mark 8
27And Jesus went out, and his disciples, into the towns of Caesarea Philippi: and by the way he asked his disciples, saying unto them, Whom do men say that I am?

28And they answered, John the Baptist; but some say, Elias; and others, One of the prophets.

29And he saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Peter answereth and saith unto him, Thou art the Christ.

30And he charged them that they should tell no man of him.

Mark 4
33And with many such parables spake he the word unto them, as they were able to hear it.

34But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples.


Mark 4
10And when he was alone, they that were about him with the twelve asked of him the parable.

11And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

12That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.



John 7
8Go ye up unto this feast: I go not up yet unto this feast: for my time is not yet full come.

9When he had said these words unto them, he abode still in Galilee.

10But when his brethren were gone up, then went he also up unto the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret.

jakejonesiv

Well, according to the gospel tales, JBap baptised for the forgiveness of sins and he baptized Jesus. Mark 1:4,9.

That means Jesus was a sinner, right?

According to the fourth gospel, he told an out right lie.
John 7:8-10. Ah, Pharoah beat me to it!

No wonder he was considered a sinner. John 9:24.

Jake Jones