neorask

In response to the following post:
There are many prophecy's in the Bible that tell us of the imminent return of the Lord Jesus and His angels.

This is a thread for anyone who believes that God, Jesus, prophecy's, and the Bible are either non-existent, lies, or existent but not correct. I would like to know why you do not agree that these things are true.

Daniel

Because Jesus himself said that he was to return within the lifetime of his followers. This view is corroborated by what is written in the Epistles and other New Testament writings, which describe Christ's return as imminent.

Harry Bosch

1. Jesus said that he would return during the lifetime of at least some of the disciplies - he didn't make it.

2. The bible claims that the flood occured around 3500 BC, however, there isn't a single secondary source of the flood in the Earth. Not one in Latin America, Australia, Africa, Egypt (how did the Egyptians not notice) or Asia - or ANYWHERE.

3. The bible claims that the Earth is 6,000 years old. There is no physical evidence outside of the bible that this is true.

Thats just a few to get your started.

Sign Related

I read the gospels from a different perspective. It's the master of the house (mentioned in Mark 13) which returns rather than Jesus. There are many false Christians (and these go unto paradise) as well as true Christians (and these go unto hell). There are true Christians that dont even claim being Christians too (these go unto hell). And there are those that arent being as false Christians that are not true Christians either (these go unto paradise).

Remember this:

Mark 13:37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch."

And then remember this:

Matthew 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

^^I'd hate to be on that right hand and on that left hand. I'd rather "Watch" as the master of the house is as I (as in, watch from the actual perspective of the master of the house which concerns the watch the master of the house comes in).

You're either in one name (the honourable name of the master of the house) or the divided other that's against itself (the dishonourable name of the master of the house by the very elect that can astral project--to why they can front as being also as another with their spirit extended upon another) from the foundation of the world.

By the way, Jesus was not the Christ. And those in his name (in what all that represents) who say they are Christ or say Jesus was (or is) Christ shall decieve many for a while. But they nor Jesus are the Christ. Each devil (the very elect) in general be the Christ. And even though you may not now take my word for it, the master of the house is not God. That whole spirit God is the elect are as because it's them that can astral project their seemingly abnormal soul unto spirit form because it's in association with energy (whatever energy is being used by their soul becomes Elias).

Diogenes the Cynic

I'n not entirely clear on what you're asking. Are you asking for just general examples of inerrancy or are you asking for some sort of proof that your perceived "prophecies" are false?

neorask

I am asking why you personally find it to be wrong.

Diogenes the Cynic

Why I find what to be wrong?

I'm not trying to be difficult. When you say "wrong," are you pretty much referring to any perception of errancy, contradiction or non-literalness?

I don't think of the Bible as being a single holistic work which can be r"right" or "wrong" as a whole. It's a library of books and I take it on a book by book basis.

As for debunking basic literalism, that can be done straight off with the the creation and flood stories but other examples of historical inaccuracy and self-contradiction are almost too numerous to mention.

judge

Actually, Jesus made no such claim that he would "return". He said he would come on clouds with great power. He said He would come in His kingdom. But he did not say He would return (as far as I am aware).
He did however seem to indicate the appearing of His kingdom would not be visible IIRC

newtype_alpha

I'm not sure what timeframe the Bible is using, but by no human standards can two millenia be considered "immanent." Likewise, almost every time the coming of the Christ is mentioned in the New Testemant, it is always made very clear that this would take place within the lifetime or "generation" of his followers. If Jesus' prediction did come true, it probably happened back in 70 AD when the temple was destroyed.

Of course it wouldn't be the first time Jesus' predictions didn't pan out. Didn't he say something to the theif on the cross to the effect of, "today you will be with me in paradise?" Jesus didn't go back to heaven until about three days later, didn't he?

Vorkosigan

Because Mark 13 posits a fictional encounter between Jesus and his disciples whose story frame is based on the Elijah-Elisha cycle, and which incorporates numerous references to the utterly fruitcake book of Daniel, among other OT books. The whole thing is an invention of the author of Mark. It is clearly fiction.

That's why. The question is not why we don't believe. The question is why anyone with a pulse and a functional cognitive system would believe it.

Vorkosigan