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Thomas II · 03-12-2006, 06:25 PM

Is there any relation between Religion and Magic?

Thomas II · 03-12-2006, 09:05 PM

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Is there any relation between Religion and Magic?

Ok...ok...I'll start...
Please read this introduction to the subject. I find it easy to understand:
http://www.hermes-press.com/magic.htm

Thanx.

Toto · 03-12-2006, 09:27 PM

Let's try this in GRD

WCH · 03-12-2006, 09:46 PM

Magic and religion are both adherences to forms of superstition in the hopes of getting something in return. Therefore, they are not only related, they are equivalent.

The Other Michael · 03-12-2006, 10:00 PM

Magic is what the heathen do. Religion is what the true believers do. It all looks pretty much the same to me.

cheers,
Michael

MadPhatCat · 03-13-2006, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomas II

Is there any relation between Religion and Magic?

Yes. Rowan Atkinson layed all this out years ago when he gave a "sermon" as part of a comedy show. The skit was called "The Amazing Jesus of Nazaraeth" I believe. If you are wise in the way of internet searches, you can view this thing for yourself.

Kydka · 03-13-2006, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by The Other Michael

Magic is what the heathen do. Religion is what the true believers do. It all looks pretty much the same to me.

cheers,
Michael

Agreed.

JEST2ASK · 03-13-2006, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomas II

Ok...ok...I'll start...
Please read this introduction to the subject. I find it easy to understand:
http://www.hermes-press.com/magic.htm

Thanx.

Hello Thomas thanks for the link ... I something I would like some clarification on.

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"When I learned my basic Darwin in high school--and new-Darwinism and new genetics in college--I learned it as dogmatic truth, as I might have learned a religious catechism. Not in the sense that no physical evidence was adduced--there was enough of that--but in the sense that no alternative theory of the evidence was ever introduced, no critical examination of assumptions and incongruities ever encouraged. Indeed, I was led to believe that the only alternative to orthodox biology was biblical fundamentalism and the 'creationist' movement. Darwin's Victorian antagonist Bishop Wilberforce was held up as the epitome of anti-intellectualism--without any mention that even the good bishop (while no giant mind by any standards) raised his scriptural objection to Darwin only as the last of several criticisms. The others (apparently suggested to Wilberforce by the anatomist Richard Owen) included a number of shrewd thrusts at Darwin's theory and evidence, some of which could not be parried by Darwin's defenders then, some of which still stand as serious reservations to the present day." 2

Just what are these serious reservations and are there any investigations into the short-comings of ToE utilizing other explainations

Astreja · 03-13-2006, 02:20 PM

Magic is the exercise of one's willpower to effect change. Religion interposes hypothetical beings in between the doer and the deed, redirecting individuals' power into the hands of a controlling hierarchy.

hinduwoman · 03-14-2006, 09:41 PM

Prayer is nothing other than magic.

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WCH Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 6,290	Magic and religion are both adherences to forms of superstition in the hopes of getting something in return. Therefore, they are not only related, they are equivalent.

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