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Old 12-08-2006, 02:41 PM   #21
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A very simple question with a very simple answer. Let me explain it in this way. You Christian folk claim the bible is the direct word of god. Well I just wrote this on a piece of paper "And so the great Lord of Cheese descended from the heavens and all of the seven seas turned to molten mozerella. So was the coming of the end of the world". Now how do you know a god didn't just make me write it? Do you see what I'm trying to say?

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What are you stupid? The Bible is the inspired word of God! How do I know this?Because the Bible tells me so.....Duh...The Bible is the Word of God because it is the word of God....I hope you go to hell and burn 4 ever,how dare you mock the "very living" word of God............


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Old 12-08-2006, 02:55 PM   #22
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I've noticed quite a few athiests who don't discount it around here. Granted, they don't read it with the God hangup I do but they find it interesting and approach it with a sense of criticism and study.

I like what Robert Price had to say about atheists and the bible in The God Who Wasnt There commentary. He said a lot of atheists have a "superstitious nonsense" when it comes to the bible. Its an ancient text with barbarism and violence as you would expect an ancient text to be, but its not the "satanic bible". And its undeniable that the gospels portray this powerful presence in the person of Jesus.
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Old 12-08-2006, 03:01 PM   #23
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And its undeniable that the gospels portray this powerful presence in the person of Jesus.
Which gospels? Only the ones that got canonized?

Anyway, the accuracy of the gospels as historical accounts is what I think atheists reject.
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Old 12-08-2006, 04:08 PM   #24
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Which gospels? Only the ones that got canonized?

Anyway, the accuracy of the gospels as historical accounts is what I think atheists reject.
Well, I think some atheists do have a very extreme view towards the bible and think there are no redeeming stories, even accepting that its not historical. Price's point is that its understandable that people respond to the image of Jesus from the gospels regardless of the historical veracity.

and yes, since the canonical gospels are the ones that most people have exposure to then im talking about those
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I like what Robert Price had to say about atheists and the bible in The God Who Wasnt There commentary. He said a lot of atheists have a "superstitious nonsense" when it comes to the bible. Its an ancient text with barbarism and violence as you would expect an ancient text to be, but its not the "satanic bible". And its undeniable that the gospels portray this powerful presence in the person of Jesus.
I think I must read that book (if I had a nickel for every time I said that here...) An admission about the violence...As an ancient weapon and war buff some of the violent stuff was a fun read for me. And made me very thankful that I was born in this century. I think that was the first time I read something that gave me a real idea for how brutal and ruthless some ancient people were.
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Well, I think some atheists do have a very extreme view towards the bible and think there are no redeeming stories, even accepting that its not historical. Price's point is that its understandable that people respond to the image of Jesus from the gospels regardless of the historical veracity.

and yes, since the canonical gospels are the ones that most people have exposure to then im talking about those
And I don't think that's a mistake. They're likely in part, canonical because the early fathers recognized their appeal, historically accurate or not.
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And I don't think that's a mistake. They're likely in part, canonical because the early fathers recognized their appeal, historically accurate or not.
Yes, and isnt it also speculated that the canonical gospels were the most "narrative" of the gospels?
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Old 12-08-2006, 06:16 PM   #28
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"I think He said, Blessed are the Cheesemakers." (Monty Python's Life of Brian)

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Remember, it's not to be taken literally. It could refer to any manufacturer of dairy products.
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well thats just a metaphor. he is actually referring to any manufacturers of dairy products
Rats! You beat me to it!
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Yes, and isnt it also speculated that the canonical gospels were the most "narrative" of the gospels?
That's what I've read. A lot of the others are gnostic and stranger then John and some, like Thomas, are simply sayings. It may be the other just weren't that great.
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