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Old 12-17-2012, 07:04 AM   #11
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How does anyone know what anyone knew about marcionites other than some claims of the biased church writers?
Bias? Wow.
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The Samaritan targum at Genesis 18.26 The LORD said, "If I find fifty righteous people in the city of Sodom, I will crucify/raise/hang the whole place for their sake."
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That logically doesn't make sense because the promise was that the city would be SPARED because of the righteous fifty, not executed because of the fifty.
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But think in terms of jerusalem 70 CE. Many crucified, some survived
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How does anyone know what anyone knew about marcionites other than some claims of the biased church writers?
Stop spamming the forum with this question. No one knows anything about Marcionites other than what their enemies wrote. That's the nature of being on the losing side. If you want to start a separate thread on what conclusions you draw from this, go ahead, but don't clutter up any other threads.
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Excuse me, but restating an obvious fact being ignored in more than one thread is not spam. It is reminding you or others. I guess that makes me a heretic. Now tell us about the postings of others.

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Stop spamming the forum with this question. No one knows anything about Marcionites other than what their enemies wrote. That's the nature of being on the losing side. If you want to start a separate thread on what conclusions you draw from this, go ahead, but don't clutter up any other threads.
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But what connection is there to Sodom and crucifixion?

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The text only says "suspended" which naturally fits the idea of being forgiven. But I am suggesting that early Christians would have seen the targum and applied telee to the concept of crucifixion. What else explains the mystical idea of crucifixion "forgiving" sins? A crucifixion doesn't resemble a sacrificial offering. It's a forced analogy
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The text only says "suspended" which naturally fits the idea of being forgiven.
I think it's a bit closer to "caught out".

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The use of telah (in Hebrew) to denote hanging or crucifixion:

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But he hanged (תָּלָ֑ה) the chief baker as Joseph had interpreted to them (Genesis 40:22)
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