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Old 08-15-2007, 12:05 PM   #1
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Default Is The Holy Bible Doctrine Of God's Word "MORE" Objective Or Subjective When Read?

The Holy Is Suppose to be Perfectly Inerrant, Objective, Un-Falsible, Word Of God to Mankind. But, if this is, Why does the Holy Bible "Perfect Words" fail to prevent Subjective human actions from Subjectively Altering/Changing/Introducing Heresay, Doctrines, Denominations, Subjectively that is clearly Un-Biblical, Against God's Will, immoral, unjust, etc.

Was The Bible Created To Give Mankind The Power Of Trick/Manipualte/Control Human's Mind/Behavior/Actions in their OWN INTEREST by saying a God wrote this and you must follow, obey, tolerant, give in, or else I condemm you to Hell, Punishment, Sin...and so forth? Can the Bible If It Is Really True Ever Over Come Mankind Relentless Resistance to Truth, Facts, Objective Unchangeable Words, And Our Manipualtion, Greed, Self Interest, Desires, Fame, to Get what we want, when, where, how,etc with the True Message God Wants Us To Have?
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The Holy Is Suppose to be Perfectly Inerrant, Objective, Un-Falsible, Word Of God to Mankind. But, if this is, Why does the Holy Bible "Perfect Words" fail to prevent Subjective human actions from Subjectively Altering/Changing/Introducing Heresay, Doctrines, Denominations, Subjectively that is clearly Un-Biblical, Against God's Will, immoral, unjust, etc.

Was The Bible Created To Give Mankind The Power Of Trick/Manipualte/Control Human's Mind/Behavior/Actions in their OWN INTEREST by saying a God wrote this and you must follow, obey, tolerant, give in, or else I condemm you to Hell, Punishment, Sin...and so forth? Can the Bible If It Is Really True Ever Over Come Mankind Relentless Resistance to Truth, Facts, Objective Unchangeable Words, And Our Manipualtion, Greed, Self Interest, Desires, Fame, to Get what we want, when, where, how,etc with the True Message God Wants Us To Have?
The Christian message is not that the Bible must be accepted as truth. The Christian message, to those who are interested, is that Christ died so that sinners can be saved. It is those who accept that message who invariably of their own free will adopt the Protestant Bible* as their own standard of behaviour and teaching. There is no requirement by Christians for anyone else to adopt the same standard. Those who make such demands are the enemies of Christians.

*That is, when they have it available. There are many Christians who have lived and died and have never had access to a whole Bible, or even a part of one, and that condition still pertains in some parts of the world. Indeed, the only people who can actually know what the Bible says are those comparative few who have access to the Bible in original languages, and the means to translate them. For one thing, much of the Bible is impossible to translate into a single line of text, even for a skilled and honest translator. But beyond that, no published translation can escape the accusation of heresy. It seems to be a condition of Bible publishers that heresy of some sort is included.
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The Holy Is Suppose to be Perfectly Inerrant, Objective, Un-Falsible, Word Of God to Mankind. But, if this is, Why does the Holy Bible "Perfect Words" fail to prevent Subjective human actions from Subjectively Altering/Changing/Introducing Heresay, Doctrines, Denominations, Subjectively that is clearly Un-Biblical, Against God's Will, immoral, unjust, etc.

Was The Bible Created To Give Mankind The Power Of Trick/Manipualte/Control Human's Mind/Behavior/Actions in their OWN INTEREST by saying a God wrote this and you must follow, obey, tolerant, give in, or else I condemm you to Hell, Punishment, Sin...and so forth? Can the Bible If It Is Really True Ever Over Come Mankind Relentless Resistance to Truth, Facts, Objective Unchangeable Words, And Our Manipualtion, Greed, Self Interest, Desires, Fame, to Get what we want, when, where, how,etc with the True Message God Wants Us To Have?
The Christian message is not that the Bible must be accepted as truth. The Christian message, to those who are interested, is that Christ died so that sinners can be saved. It is those who accept that message who invariably of their own free will adopt the Protestant Bible* as their own standard of behaviour and teaching. There is no requirement by Christians for anyone else to adopt the same standard. Those who make such demands are the enemies of Christians.

*That is, when they have it available. There are many Christians who have lived and died and have never had access to a whole Bible, or even a part of one, and that condition still pertains in some parts of the world. Indeed, the only people who can actually know what the Bible says are those comparative few who have access to the Bible in original languages, and the means to translate them. For one thing, much of the Bible is impossible to translate into a single line of text, even for a skilled and honest translator. But beyond that, no published translation can escape the accusation of heresy. It seems to be a condition of Bible publishers that heresy of some sort is included.
I understand 100% what you are trying to say. But, in my opinion its irrelevant. If god said "BELIEF" and at least attempt to do right is all that is required, where does the notion that you have to COME TO CHURCH, READ THE BIBLE, GIVE MONEY, WEAR NICE CLOTHES, FIT IN, OBEY WHAT THE PASTOR'S SUBJECTIVE VIEWS ARE fit in with god. For all you know, the pastor's understanding may have little or n bearing on what god's will is because only god can reveal it to you.

In my opinion, the Holy Bible is NOT NECCESSARILY REQUIRED TO ENETR GOD KINGDOM BECAUSE IF IT WAS, then at least 75% of mother Earth could objective be accused by god of Heresay, Translation Erorrs, False teachings due to different cultures, Manipulation, and everything else. Thus, the notion of the Bible being a "Perfect Inerrant Translation of God's Word is Subjective. I ask these question, inerrant at what time/place/circumstance/etc if language, speech, terminology, pronounciation change and cultural/behavior/values, etc changes over time. Does that mean everybody have to behave in the TIME FRAME OF WHICH THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN AND NEVER CHANGE ABOVE THAT TO BE PERFECTLY OBEYING HIM?

In any event, the Holy Bible is just a manuel that people Could Use when their understanding is frozen/void/dark, etc but is Not neccessarily required for salvation if prayer, asking, and even logic thinking can tell people what is right/wrong, harmful/helpful to society at large. It becomes a wuestion of rather humans should take care of their interst first, or god. We can't never know what god want until he gives a personal revelation because all of your frinds, pastors, religious people have differnt opinions, views, perception ON WHAT THEY THOUGHT THEY BIBLE SAID!
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