chapka

No, that hundred years is already accounted for in the 1,072 years. Using these numbers, I still get 1,792, not 1,692.

Of course, since we're using that number to count backwards from a number I've seen no support for in the first place, based on an arbitrarily chosen version of a fictional text, it's probably moot. But still, I don't see why WillowTree can't defend his own math.

Jack the Bodiless

31 years was insufficient time for this?

funinspace

Ok, I guess I got lost in the numbers...

WILLOWTREE,
So can you provide a detailed listing/accounting for this number then? For I, as well, am at a loss to add to that peticular number. I don't see that from the Alexandrine texts as well.

WILLOWTREE

Are you saying Codex Alexandrinus is a fictional text ?

Next issue:

I am having a problem suddenly.

Exodus Date 1453 BC

+ 430 years in Canaan/Egypt (Galatians 3:17)

+ 872 years from the Flood TO the birth of Terah.

+ 205 years length of Terah's life (Genesis 11:32)

Total thus far: 1507 years.

1453 + 1507 = 2960.

3145 - 2960 = 185 years.

I cannot account for these 185 years and I lost my previous notes and am very frustrated at the moment.

WT

Edit:

Between the death of Terah and the entry of Jacob into Canaan = 185 years ?

Can anybody help ?

WT

chapka

I'm saying that the books of Genesis and Exodus are fictional texts; the Codex Alexandrinus is no more or less fictional than any other version, as far as I know. Is there any independent evidence that the Exodus as described in the Codex Alexandrinus is any less fictional than the Exodus described in the Masoretic text?

WILLOWTREE

If you want to debate the Exodus then make the IIDB split.

WT

spin

How could the writer of Galatians know??


spin

WILLOWTREE

The claim is that the N.T. writers wrote under Divine inspiration.

They are assumed to have had more accurate manuscripts.

Paul was raised at the feet of the brightest Jewish scholar of his day (Gemaliel). The mss he had access to could make one drool.

This means whatever they wrote (when that is determined) that is gospel truth.

N.T. writers quoted the LXX differently than texts we have today.

Critics assume the N.T. writers are in error.

EVANGELICAL POSITION

Whatever the N.T. authors write is the correct rendering of the quoted text - because of Divine inspiration.

WT

spin

How the fuck would you know? When you can provide an objective answer then the evidence might be considered.

In a court of law, evidence will only be accepted only if it can be substantiated. They don't work on the "trust me" principle. It's not that the NT writers are assumed to be in error, it's that you can't assume that they were not.

You are another one of these poor creatures who are totally clueless when it comes to epistemology. How you know something is as important as what the something is. You cannot show how the writer of Galatians knew that information. You cannot show how you know the claim that the biblical writers were divinely inspired is correct.


spin

funinspace

Spin,
Since Ex 12:40 agrees with Galations on the Exodus, whether WT quotes Galations or Exodus is kind of a mute point since they match for whatever reason. Divine inspiration or good copying both work to the same end.

To me a whole separate issue.

From my post #29: 9 Terah 3264 70 135 205 3469 (this is straight from Codex Alexandrinus, and the second number denotes the age at which the next child was born). Again the link:
http://www.grisda.org/origins/07023.htm

This ties right back into standard texts like NIV/NET, where Terah was 70 when Abram was born. So counting the lifespan of Terah is not of much value.

So take these verses:
11:26 When Terah had lived seventy years, he became the father of Abram, Nahor, and Haran.
(From Terah: 70)
21:5 (Now Abraham was a hundred years old when his son Isaac was born to him.)
(70 + 100 = 170)
25:26 When his brother came out with his hand clutching Esau's heel, they named him Jacob. Isaac was sixty years old when they were born.
(170+70=230)
47:9 Jacob said to Pharaoh, "All the years of my travels are one hundred and thirty. All the years of my life have been few and painful; the years of my travels are not as long as those of my ancestors." 47:10 Then Jacob blessed Pharaoh and went out from his presence
(230+130=360 years from Terah's birth to Jacob Entering Egypt.

You were looking for 185 years, after Terah's life. So if you take the 200 years of Terah's life back out, you would be looking for 385 years. The above goes to 360 years considering Terah had child at 70 years. Now that get's you close, but still off by 25 years.

However, I think the question really is towards where you are getting the 872 years from the Flood to Terah (or whatever other end point one would want. I presented a table from a published copy of Codex Alexandrinus (linked in post #29). It shows the Codex having 1072 years from the Flood to Abram's birth. You are saying it's 942 years (872 +70 years of Terah till son's birth). That's a deficit of 130 years. Now we have previously pointed out that we cannot find a way to 3145. But we could find a way to 3245 with your Exodus date, and tying into a copy of the Codex Alexandrinus. Where is that number coming from? I realize you have said that you have lost your notes, so this may make it harder. But the Codex Alexandrinus is out there on the web, so one can reconstruct the numbers.