Sheshbazzar

Not any more propaganda than your propaganda speculations.
About the time you stop making your ERRONOUS and MIS-LEADING statements.
The DATED texts we possess DO NOT 'support' your ERRONOUS argument.
They only serve to indicate that there were EARLIER texts than what we have as yet recovered.
There is no verifiable evidence of how much EARLIER these original manuscripts were.
Your 2nd century DATED fragments and texts PROVE NOTHING AT ALL in regards to the existence of any earlier knowledge of Jesus, the disciples, or the Gospel.
You are attempting to employ 2nd CE documents to evidence something about the 1st century conditions that they simply DO NOT evidence, contrary to your flood of ERRONOUS assertions being made daily in this Forum.

Sheshbazzar

You appear to have litlle grasp on the concept of Logic. (or how to parse plain English.)
Your so called 'deductions' are ILLOGICAL, and your conclusions ERRONEOUS.
These 2nd century texts DO NOT provide ANY evidence or proofs that 'Jesus' and the disciples were unknown in the 1st century.

[IF these 2nd century texts showed no knowledge of Jesus -then- you might have a LOGICAL leg to stand on.
But unfortunately for your case, they all indicate that a knowledge of Jesus and the Gospel did pre-exist them, and all are witness to the contemporary belief that Jesus and disciples were known in the 1st century CE. -Justin Martyr included.]


Yer simply pulling your 'position' out of your posterior region.

aa5874

Your PRESUMPTIONS and ASSUMPTIONS are WORTHLESS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...stament_papyri

This is PRECISELY and EXACTLY how the evidence would be when Jesus, the disciples and Paul had NO real existence.

This is PRECISELY and EXACTLY what I expected and PREDICTED--A BIG BLACK HOLE for Jesus, the disciples and Paul in the 1st century and before c 70 CE.

I expected Forgeries to place Paul and Jesus Before c 70 CE and that is PRECISELY and Exactly what has happened.

Sheshbazzar

Yes. I said 'POSSIBLY' to the previous, and entirely different statement.
This 'POSSIBLE' has no relationship to my reply to;
this part of your "ridiculous pretend situation....very much unlike the anonymous authors and the uncertain dating of the NT writings, Dorherty and the controversy of his writings are well known, and it is extremely unlikely that his writings would be copied into such perpetuity without any knowledge of their real author and origins.
This is no longer the Bronze Age with its limited information storage and retrieval ability, or extreme illiteracy rates.
It is ridiculous to attempt to pretend extrapolate the social conditions and the technological limitations of 2000 years ago, 2000 years into the future."

No wonder you cannot understand or follow LOGIC regarding these texts, when you demonstrate that you cannot even correctly parse and interpret simple paragraphs written to you in modern English, even when care has been taken to carefully separate and reply to the various clauses separately for you.

Makes one wonder whether you are just being obstinate for the sake of being obstinate, Or is that you are simply deviously dodging confronting the glaring fault in your argument, Or are you just really all that stupid?

My Forum name is SHESHBAZZAR. If it has became too fucking dxifficult for you to spell correctly, you can use the 'COPY' and 'PASTE' function.


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aa5874

Your IMAGINATION and SPECULATION about earlier evidence is worthless. You are making unsubstantiated claims from BLANK pages of non-existing Gospels.

Please, get familiar with ACTUAL recovered DATED Texts from Apologetic and Non-Apologetic sources.

Jesus, the disciples and Paul had NO real existence in the 1st century before c 70 CE EXACTLY and PRECISELY as the dated texts show.

Justin Martyr wrote NOTHING about Acts of the Apostles and Paul in the 1st century but instead he wrote about the ACTS of Simon Magus and Menander.

See "First Apology".

Sheshbazzar

Confirmation bias works just great dosen't it? It always agrees with your expectations.
You could have a terrific career as a fundy preacher.

aa5874

You are just making wild baseless claims.

You must now understand that the game is over.

We have ACTUAL RECOVERED DATED sources and they show a BIG BLACK Hole for Jesus, the disciples and Paul in the 1st century and Before c 70 CE.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...stament_papyri

Please, if Jesus, the disciples and Paul did NOT exist before c 70 CE what would you EXPECT??

I EXPECTED what the ACTUAL recovered dated sources show.

There can be no bigger, blacker hole for Jesus, the disciples and Paul.

I no longer accept hopeless presumptions and assumptions about early sources of which there is nothing but Hot Air.

Sheshbazzar

A clue dude, the world, and people whom are able to properly employ rational logic really don't give a flying fork what -you- do or don't accept.
Historical and Religious Scholarship has never been dependent upon your irrational babblings on this site, and never will be.
You are relatively free to spend the rest of your miserable life daily posting your retarded horseshit 'position' garbage in this Forum, it won't in the least alter the fact that your 'position' is founded upon your use and abuse of faulty logic.

These surviving 2nd century dated documents DO NOT, and CANNOT, without abuse of logic, be used to prove that the character called Jesus Christ was unknown in the 1st century.

Sheshbazzar

The dated texts show no such thing regarding Jesus and the disciples. No matter how often you may repeat this utterly bogus and ERRONEOUS claim.
No genuine scholar of any repute supports such an asinine and unsubstantiated claim.

aa5874

You are just totally confused. You seem to have lost control. Please, relax and try to regain your composure.