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spin · 02-05-2007, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Malachi151

Yes, but note item 4:...

...which deals with professional use, listing scholarly or academic use.

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Originally Posted by Malachi151

I can't possibly see how re-typing text makes a bit of difference. See also:...

JSTOR provides value added in supplying the data in digital image formats. Fair usage applies to the text content displayed in those images. JSTOR has not made explicit its rights over the images.

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Originally Posted by Malachi151

All I'm trying to do is get help understanding what I'm reading, I'm not trying to re-distribute the material or make a profit off of it.

I understand that but it is ii which is hosting the material that you post and it is ii who will be liable. I don't advocate that you do this, but if you uploaded the material to an image bank and put links from here to those images, ii would not be liable, though the image bank, which is able to fend for itself, would be.

spin

Niall Armstrong · 02-06-2007, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DCHindley

David Trobisch, an academic, has theorized that the NT was published in its present form around the middle of the 2nd century CE. The editor(s) had collected four groups of writings (the four gospels, the Pauline epistles, Acts with the general epistles, and finally the book of Revelation).

To link them together, they added "hooks" to imply that they are all a united product, each relating to the other. While Trobisch did not identify Jn 1:42 as such a link, I think it served as such.

Dave H

_The First Edition of the New Testament_ by David Trobisch (New York: Oxford University Press, 2000)
_Paul's Letter Collection: Tracing the Origins_ (Minneapolis: Fortress Press, 1994; reprint: Bolivar, Quiet Waters Publications, 2001)
http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=91

Thanks for the reference!
I like the idea of "hooks", though as yet I suspect the author of John's Gospel to be responsible for this one. I'd love to read Trobisch on the matter, but I'm afraid I cannot access anything more than his discussion of the order of Paul's epistles at the link you gave. (Which is an interesting article in its own right!)

DCHindley · 02-07-2007, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Niall Armstrong

Thanks for the reference!
I like the idea of "hooks", though as yet I suspect the author of John's Gospel to be responsible for this one. I'd love to read Trobisch on the matter, but I'm afraid I cannot access anything more than his discussion of the order of Paul's epistles at the link you gave. (Which is an interesting article in its own right!)

Niall,

That article is a modified form of the first chapter of Trobish's book on "Paul's Letter Collection".

Dave

Steven Avery · 02-11-2007, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Weimer

I want to remind everyone to take advantage of http://groups.yahoo.com/group/docexchange/ - a place Peter Kirby started and a place that I'd like to see used.

My concern is whether the exchange itself is stretching the JSTOR provisos. I can see trying to squeeze it under 3.c. but there may be an element of legal fiction involved especially if it is set up in an organized exchange without any accompanying case-by-case collaboration. You may be uncomfortably close to the napster type of problem. Granted this is small-time stuff, somewhat under the radar, with a real desire to help scholarly discourse ... however the same ethical and legal concern holds. And folks stretching copyright provisos are often able to come up with compelling-sounding rationalizations. Even outside an organized situation I have declined at times when folks have offered to send me material that I would like to have for research (eg. an article on the emendations of the sopherim). Probably the proper way if I want it free is to try a university library. When we were passing around the Psalm 22 material it is more likely to be closer to the provisos, as we were directly in dialog about the material on this scholarly, sort of, forum at the same time. That still felt like a gray area. And folks just asking on the email forums "can you send me a/b/c with your subscription for my research" has always seemed to be dark gray at best. As does the document exchange, although I would be very pleased if my concern is shown to be wrong.

Shalom,
Steven Avery

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