Garnet

Is that so?

Exd 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me;

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Exd 34:7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear [the guilty]; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth [generation].

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Num 14:18 The LORD [is] longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression, and by no means clearing [the guilty], visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation].

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Deu 5:9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me,

blt to go

Uuuhh. Did you ever read what happened to Solomon's older sibling? Hint: It DIRECTLY conflicts with this statement.

Angyson

Sandy, your scripture quote directly contradicts mine from Exodus that says the sins of the father are punishable to his seed to four generations. I would appreciate a biblical reference for your assertion. Thank you.

Angyson

Where were you when I needed you ?

ZooMom

Those verses all speak of people who did not keep or enter into covenant with God. If you were not a follower of God, you had no recourse to God's forgiveness. *shrug*


Do you mean Absalom? I don't see how his death was a result of his father's sins. Could you be more specific?


Peace be with you!

Sandy

ZooMom

Certainly.

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Ezekiel 18:

14 "But suppose this son has a son who sees all the sins his father commits, and though he sees them, he does not do such things:

15 "He does not eat at the mountain shrines
or look to the idols of the house of Israel.
He does not defile his neighbor's wife.
16 He does not oppress anyone
or require a pledge for a loan.
He does not commit robbery
but gives his food to the hungry
and provides clothing for the naked.
17 He withholds his hand from sin [3]
and takes no usury or excessive interest.
He keeps my laws and follows my decrees.

He will not die for his father's sin; he will surely live. 18 But his father will die for his own sin, because he practiced extortion, robbed his brother and did what was wrong among his people.
19 "Yet you ask, 'Why does the son not share the guilt of his father?' Since the son has done what is just and right and has been careful to keep all my decrees, he will surely live. 20 The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him.
21 "But if a wicked man turns away from all the sins he has committed and keeps all my decrees and does what is just and right, he will surely live; he will not die. 22 None of the offenses he has committed will be remembered against him. Because of the righteous things he has done, he will live. 23 Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Sovereign LORD . Rather, am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live?

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2 Chronicles 25:

3 After the kingdom was firmly in his control, he executed the officials who had murdered his father the king. 4 Yet he did not put their sons to death, but acted in accordance with what is written in the Law, in the Book of Moses, where the LORD commanded: "Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their fathers; each is to die for his own sins."

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Peace be with you!

Sandy

Angyson

Shutting down.

ZooMom

Sorry?

blt to go

You said a child would not be punished for the sins of his father. I recommended you read the story of Solomon's older brother.
Absalom was Solomon's Half-brother. Solomon had a brother that lived 7-days. It was David and Bathsheba's first son.

God killed this 7-day old baby as punishment for David's sin! 2 Sam 12:14.

The bible could not be more clear. You are absolutely incorrect that God will not punish a baby for the sins of its father.

(By the way, you ought to review Absalom's death. A very good argument could be made that David's sin for not exacting capital punishment on Absalom for murder when it was sentenced (although not deserved since Absalom killed a rapist who ALSO should have received a death sentence) was a direct result in Joab killing Absalom for attempting a coup against David.)

But don't worry. It all becomes clearer when you realize that Uriah was a Hittite, a race of people God had ordered to exterminate, so technically David didn't murder him, but rather granted Uriah the death sentence he was under.

So why did God then punish David for doing what God ordered? THAT's a stumper.

ZooMom

You are right. God claimed the life of the child as punishment for David's sin.


Yes, the Scriptures are clear. And I gave the Scriptures that say that each will be judged according to his own, not the sins of his father or son. So I am not incorrect.

I did, AAMOF, earlier in the thread, and if Joab hadn't returned to kill Absalom, he likely would have strangled in that tree. It all worked out according to God's Will, though, didn't it.

God punished David for taking Bathsheba to wife by treachery. Even in the OT there is a difference between murder and capital justice. David's motivations and methods were impure.


Peace be with you!

Sandy