Magus55

Sigh. You know, if you ever expect your alleged contradictions to be taken seriously, a good start might be to read the whole verse, in context, instead of cutting verses in half to make yourself look right.

Lets look at the verse before you butchered it to fit your own agenda. You forgot the most important part of this verse:

Pro 8:17 I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me.

Those that love God, and seek Him shall find Him.

Another verse taken out of context. Lets see this completely:

Pro 1:27 When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.

Pro 1:28 Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:

Pro 1:29 For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD:

Pro 1:30 They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof.

Pro 1:31 Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.

Now I shouldn't need to explain this to you, but I will anyway. This is a different context than Verse 8:17. It states that when distress and anguish come upon you, and you seek God, you will not find Him, because you hated His knowledge, and didn't fear(respect) the Lord. You wouldn't listen to Him, so now you are left to your own fate.

In other words, in this case, it refers to those in need, who only turn to God to end their anguish and distress, but they don't actually trust Him or listen to Him. They ignore His knowledge, and are left to their own devices.


As we can see, 2 completely different contexts, and not a contradiction. Again, if you are gonna argue against the Bible, at least have the decency to not butcher verses, and at least take the time to read in context.


I believe you mean James not Jas?

2 different uses of the word tempt. Gen 22, tempt ( or Nacah in Hebrew) means to test or to try.

In James 1:13, its referring to tempting with evil.

Most versions of the Bible ( NASB, NIV, NLT etc.) use the word tested or tried in reference to Gen 22:1. They use tempted in reference to James 1:13.

The KJV is one of the only ones that translated Gen 22:1 as tempt.

No contradiction, just a different translation of the same word in the KJV compared to the other Biblical translations. The words are used in different contexts.

Please try again, these aren't contradictions and if you would take the time to study, you wouldn't have wasted my time with having to show you.

DISSIDENT AGGRESSOR

Pot Kettle black :banghead:

funinspace

I, for one have, but have been ignored...must mean this is the toughest contradiction then :
http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=90188

The question remains: Do you agree that Genesis 5:3-28 and 5:32,11:10-26 contradicts reality? Or is there a defense for these verses within the context of the rest of the canon and history? So far none has even tried to answer the obvious problems contained within this part of the canon.

DK

Clivedurdle

OK, what about these?

I love them that love me

Thou shalt love the Lord thy God...

and God so loved the world...

I thought love was meant to be unconditional - for example the judgement of Solomon. So God's love has changed or is not as perfect as the woman who said to give up her child?

Clivedurdle

I forgot. Isn't "thou shalt love" a contradiction in itself? How can anyone be ordered to love?

What value has love got if you are doing it because you have been ordered to?

Magus55

Are you referring to the ages? If so, no I don't agree it contradicts reality. Reality is the here and now. You cannot go back thousands and thousands of years ago, and assume because the world isn't the same today, that its obviously a contradiction.

Magus55

Hardly - I don't butcher verses and remove the half that actually explains the difference between two apparent contradicting verses, just so I can feel like I beat the poor atheist. I have a feeling myndreach got those failed contradictions from SAB, since they so commonly take verses out of context to fit their agenda.

funinspace

The passages in Genesis give a detailed timeline from Noah to Moses. Do you deny that the invasion of Canaan took place in the second millennium? Do you deny Genesis? Do you deny archeological knowledge? Because, unless you deny some of these, then a literal canon forces a flood to happen in the previous millennium (i.e. the 3rd millennium). We know a tremendous amount of information about the civilizations of the third millennium BC, knowledge of this flood would not be lost. And since there is no flood in the third millennium BC, the canon contradicts reality. Or you could try to address some of the detailed points I made in the other thread...show me where I am wrong?

DK

Gregg

Don't mean to derail the thread but...

Magus, have you posted an explanation yet how it's "justice" for Hitler to be burning in hell, when according to your doctrine at least six million of his victims are burning in hell with him, for no other crime than being Jewish? Maybe I missed it.

Magus55

First of all, I disagree with us knowing tons about the earliest civilizations. We don't know tons about ancient sumeria, and the most ancient dynasties of Egypt.

And the geneology presented in the Bible is the geneology directly from Adam to Moses - the Jewish Geneology that Jesus is a part of. It is not the entire written list of every human born before and after the flood.

I have different ideas on how Genesis works in relation to history, other than just being myth, but I don't really focus on them, because I don't believe we'll ever know the answer until God tells us. I believe the people mentioned in the Bible existed. Abraham was from Sumeria, which leads me to believe after the flood was the beginning of the oldest civilizations we know. Exodus is based on ancient Egypt, so in my opinion, the oldest dynasty of Egypt happened during Genesis, and Exodus is a later dynasty, after the Pyramids were built.

I do not hold strictly to an exact date on Genesis. Genesis is a very simplistic explanation (God would need to write millions of chapters of Genesis to explain it all in detail), focused on why and how humanity fell, where sin came from, God's first judgements, and where the Jewish line came from. Whether that happened 6000 years ago, or 50,000 years ago, I frankly could care less right now. I just believe Adam, Eve, Noah, Abraham etc. existed, there was a Garden of Eden, there was a massive flood, there was an Exodus etc.