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dog-on · 10-08-2009, 12:33 AM

Christians have "adjusted" their works in the past. It's not like the end of the age of prophesy or anything like that...

Perhaps they are jealous of the Muslims.

WilliamFearless · 10-08-2009, 02:21 PM

Really? The conservative bible? You mean there are Christians in this world who don't think that the bible is conservative enough for their tastes, so they have to invent a new bible to fit their worldview?

Have any of them actually read the entire bible??

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Originally Posted by Deuteronomy 12:32

So be careful to obey all the commands I give you. You must not add anything to them or subtract anything from them.

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Originally Posted by Proverbs 30:5-6

Every word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar.

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Originally Posted by Galatians 1:6-12

I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!

Am I now trying to win the approval of men, or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ. I want you to know, brothers, that the gospel I preached is not something that man made up. I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.

Susan2 · 10-08-2009, 02:53 PM

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kiwimac
Why does the end of Mark show Christianity to be a 'violent boys club?'

susan2
It is not just the ending of Mark, it is the whole book, especially the writings of Paul. Paul is a very violent man, and encourages violence against women.

renassault
This is...completely ridiculous and could have only been spoken by someone who just returned from the atheist-feminist annual rally.

I am an independent individual. I can discern the difference between what I am told and what I observe. It was while participating in the Protestant Christian religion that I began to notice discrepancies in what was taught, and what I observed that caused me to cringe.

Previous to that I was raised Catholic. Martyrdom and suffering was heavily preached to children during catechism. It was all that was preached. I call it slash and burn. Bible reading was forbidden. Masses were said in Latin. Having said that there was a comfort I found in the unknown language, the sweet smell of incense, the music, and the absolute beauty of the decor in a RCC church. It was a reprieve of sorts from the violence. And then the masses were said in English.

I left the Catholic church and some years later joined the Protestant church. There was no difference. I left.

Unfortunately, I did not have access to the feminist movement, or other resources. Affirmative action was at the forefront of American redress of past sins. Many young girls and women at that time did not have access to the feminist movement or other resources, unfortunately.

We were left on our own to figure out how to cope with what we had been taught. Below, please find what was taught.

I quote from Phyllis Schlafly;

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Schlafly told Time magazine in 1978, "I have canceled speeches whenever my husband thought that I had been away from home too much.

"She also said, "By getting married, the woman has consented to sex, and I don't think you can call it rape." On March 30, 2006, Schlafly provided an interview for The New York Times in which she attributed improvement in women's lives during the last decades of the 20th Century to labor-saving devices such as the indoor clothes dryer and paper diapers.[31]

From the mouth of a Conservative Christian:

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Within history can be seen the concept that marriage includes within it conjugal rights. In Western culture this was often ascribed to the teaching of St. Paul:"Let the husband render to his wife the affection due her, and likewise also the wife to her husband. The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. And likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. Do not deprive one another except with consent for a time, that you may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again so that Satan does not tempt you because of your lack of self-control."[3]. As a result of this passage the concept of marital rape was considered to be an impossibility, and this was codified by Sir Matthew Hale in the 1736 publication of his work Historia Placitorum Coronae, History of the Pleas of the Crown. Within this work Hale wrote that marital rape could not exist: "But the husband cannot be guilty of a rape committed by himself upon his lawful wife, for by their mutual matrimonial consent and contract the wife hath given up herself in this kind unto her husband which she cannot retract."[4] However, it is important to note that Hale wrote this as a matter of legal opinion, not a finding of legal fact, and so technically this concept did not pass into common law, although judges treated this piece of opinion as if it had.
http://conservapedia.com/Marital_rape

Somehow the violence of religion creeps into secularism: The past taints the future. Otherwise known as 'in my mothers womb, you created me'.

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Many United States rape statutes used to preclude spousal prosecution, including estranged or even legally separated couples. In 1975, South Dakota removed this exception.[4] In 1993, North Carolina became the last state to remove the spousal exemption.[citation needed] However, as of 1999, 33 of 50 U.S. states regard spousal rape as a lesser crime [Bergen, 1999]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marital_rape

When Ms. Schafly, and women and men just like her, through religion were supporting a husbands right to rape his wife, women like myself were standing, walking, protesting and working to protect women from just such violence.

My protest was small scaled and private, helping family, friends, and strangers who found themselves abused. Other women’s protest was loud and strong, highly educated, and public.

For that Mr. Shafly, son of Phyllis Shafly of conservapedia excoriates them on his web site, but is silent on his mother and Christianities encouragement and participation in the rape of men, women and children all across America.

When you are protecting women from such violence you are equally protecting children and men by default.

If there be any woman reading my material, please know that there are people who care. I care. Others care. You do not have to suffer violence.

And be careful of the internet. People can hack into your computer, in spite of your best efforts to protect yourself.

DCHindley · 10-08-2009, 02:59 PM

Will-less, I see in your name ... "I am fear." Hmmm, interesting cryptogram.

Anyhow, the oiginal link seems very vague, like the author(s) are angry that "liberals" have used phrases in the bible to advocate social principals such as economic "socialism" and "feminism," and will arbitrarily replace these words with more suitable "conservative" words that cannot be as easily hijacked by liberals.

The second link to the "Conservative Bible" shows a superficial awareness of Greek word studies, probably through a website that provides Strong's numbers for the KJV and a "word study" like "Robertson's Word Pictures."

It's just reactionary crap. I am dissappointed.

DCH

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Originally Posted by WilliamFearless

Really? The conservative bible? You mean there are Christians in this world who don't think that the bible is conservative enough for their tastes, so they have to invent a new bible to fit their worldview?

Have any of them actually read the entire bible??

WilliamFearless · 10-08-2009, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DCHindley

Will-less, I see in your name ... "I am fear." Hmmm, interesting cryptogram.

What the heck is that supposed to mean? :huh:

DCHindley · 10-09-2009, 06:27 AM

William,

Your screen name just happens to make a good cryptogram: Will - I am fear - less. Those who have no will (will-less) to do something are afraid, unless the name implies you are Fear itself, and you make your enemies loose their will.

Usually names that seem to make a good cryptogram are not accidental.

That's all ... hey, even if it is accidental, you can still have fun with it.

DCH (on break, again)

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Originally Posted by WilliamFearless

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Originally Posted by DCHindley

Will-less, I see in your name ... "I am fear." Hmmm, interesting cryptogram.

What the heck is that supposed to mean? :huh:

badger3k · 10-09-2009, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by WilliamFearless

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Originally Posted by DCHindley

Will-less, I see in your name ... "I am fear." Hmmm, interesting cryptogram.

What the heck is that supposed to mean? :huh:

About the best I can see is how you add spaces "WilliamFearless" = "Will I Am Fear less"

Do you go about at night in ninja clothes or black spandex? :constern02:

renassault · 10-09-2009, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Susan2

I am an independent individual. I can discern the difference between what I am told and what I observe. It was while participating in the Protestant Christian religion that I began to notice discrepancies in what was taught, and what I observed that caused me to cringe.

Previous to that I was raised Catholic. Martyrdom and suffering was heavily preached to children during catechism. It was all that was preached. I call it slash and burn. Bible reading was forbidden. Masses were said in Latin. Having said that there was a comfort I found in the unknown language, the sweet smell of incense, the music, and the absolute beauty of the decor in a RCC church. It was a reprieve of sorts from the violence. And then the masses were said in English.

I left the Catholic church and some years later joined the Protestant church. There was no difference. I left.

Unfortunately, I did not have access to the feminist movement, or other resources. Affirmative action was at the forefront of American redress of past sins. Many young girls and women at that time did not have access to the feminist movement or other resources, unfortunately.

We were left on our own to figure out how to cope with what we had been taught. Below, please find what was taught.

I quote from Phyllis Schlafly;

From the mouth of a Conservative Christian:

Somehow the violence of religion creeps into secularism: The past taints the future. Otherwise known as 'in my mothers womb, you created me'.

Quote:

Many United States rape statutes used to preclude spousal prosecution, including estranged or even legally separated couples. In 1975, South Dakota removed this exception.[4] In 1993, North Carolina became the last state to remove the spousal exemption.[citation needed] However, as of 1999, 33 of 50 U.S. states regard spousal rape as a lesser crime [Bergen, 1999]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marital_rape

When Ms. Schafly, and women and men just like her, through religion were supporting a husbands right to rape his wife, women like myself were standing, walking, protesting and working to protect women from just such violence.

My protest was small scaled and private, helping family, friends, and strangers who found themselves abused. Other women’s protest was loud and strong, highly educated, and public.

For that Mr. Shafly, son of Phyllis Shafly of conservapedia excoriates them on his web site, but is silent on his mother and Christianities encouragement and participation in the rape of men, women and children all across America.

When you are protecting women from such violence you are equally protecting children and men by default.

If there be any woman reading my material, please know that there are people who care. I care. Others care. You do not have to suffer violence.

And be careful of the internet. People can hack into your computer, in spite of your best efforts to protect yourself.

I guess in your wisdom of discernment you forgot to realize that what you quoted are not actually PAUL's words but someone ELSE's misinterpretations of marriage.

DCHindley · 10-09-2009, 07:39 PM

Clothes?

DCH

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Originally Posted by badger3k

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Originally Posted by WilliamFearless

What the heck is that supposed to mean? :huh:

About the best I can see is how you add spaces "WilliamFearless" = "Will I Am Fear less"

Do you go about at night in ninja clothes or black spandex? :constern02:

squiz · 10-11-2009, 10:39 PM

Strange use of the word "conservative", if you ask me.

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dog-on Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 3,397	Christians have "adjusted" their works in the past. It's not like the end of the age of prophesy or anything like that... Perhaps they are jealous of the Muslims.

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