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mountainman · 11-10-2008, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by hatsoff

Hey, all. Someone on another forum made a curious statement:

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The earliest copy of Matthew is the Old Syriac.

This sounds dubious. Matthew exists complete in Vaticanus and Sinaiticus, dated early fourth century. The earliest Greek fragment (to my knowledge) is P104, dated to the second century.

Dear hatsoff,

The answer to your question depends entirely on whether you are prepared to accept the chronological dating certifications of handwriting analysts (otherwise known as Olde Worlde Palaeographers) as primary evidence in establishing the chronology of the document containing the text of Matthew.

On the one hand the oldest bound manuscripts date to the fourth century. On the other hand, handwriting experts have manage to convince themselves that some of the papyri fragments may be earlier than the fourth century. On the third hand, that of radio-carbon dating. the evidence is clustered around the fourth century (average of 290 gJudas and 348 Nag Hammadi gThomas).

Best wishes,

Pete

Ben C Smith · 11-10-2008, 04:29 PM

spin · 11-10-2008, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben C Smith

[Image of child's horse]

I'd have to read what you are responding to to be sure, but perhaps you might like a smaller, smilier version to make such a comment in the future (thinking of those poor souls with bandwith issues

):

spin

Ben C Smith · 11-10-2008, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by spin

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Originally Posted by Ben C Smith

[Image of child's horse]

I'd have to read what you are responding to to be sure, but perhaps you might like a smaller, smilier version to make such a comment in the future (thinking of those poor souls with bandwith issues

):

On the one hand, your sensitivity toward those with bandwidth issues is commendable. On the other, sometimes a big hobby horse demands a big picture of a hobby horse.

But I will keep your icon in mind in the future.

Ben.

Ben C Smith · 11-10-2008, 05:52 PM

(I have said it before, and I repeat it here.)

The average hobby horse rider probably thinks of himself as the cavalry.

That works well, I think.

Ben.

mountainman · 11-10-2008, 08:29 PM

My Dear Detractors,

May I present the mainstream hobby-donkey:

Best wishes

Pete

:eating_popcorn:

mountainman · 11-11-2008, 10:31 PM

Dear People without a Hobby Horse of their Own,
Please refrain from stowing thrones

Is not the HJ a hobby horse?
Is not the MJ a hobby horse?
The FJ is a special Australian symbol.

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Originally Posted by mountainman

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Originally Posted by hatsoff

Hey, all. Someone on another forum made a curious statement:

This sounds dubious. Matthew exists complete in Vaticanus and Sinaiticus, dated early fourth century. The earliest Greek fragment (to my knowledge) is P104, dated to the second century.

Dear hatsoff,

The answer to your question depends entirely on whether you are prepared to accept the chronological dating certifications of handwriting analysts (otherwise known as Olde Worlde Palaeographers) as primary evidence in establishing the chronology of the document containing the text of Matthew.

Is this a fact or not? (Did I mention <<<NAME DELETED>> ?)

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On the one hand the oldest bound manuscripts date to the fourth century.

Is this a fact or not? (Did I mention <<<NAME DELETED>> ?)

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On the other hand, handwriting experts have manage to convince themselves that some of the papyri fragments may be earlier than the fourth century.

Is this a fact or not? (Did I mention <<<NAME DELETED>> ?)

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On the third hand, that of radio-carbon dating. the evidence is clustered around the fourth century (average of 290 gJudas and 348 Nag Hammadi gThomas).

Is this a fact or not? (Did I mention <<<NAME DELETED>> ?)

Best wishes,

Pete

Ben C Smith · 11-13-2008, 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by mountainman

Is not the HJ a hobby horse?

No. At least not always.

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Is not the MJ a hobby horse?

No. At least not always.

Ben.

Ben C Smith · 11-13-2008, 05:45 AM

Hobby horse (disambiguation), emphasis added:

A hobby horse (or hobbyhorse) can be several things:

"hobby"; a type of horse ridden in the Middle Ages by hobelars

A toy horse, consisting of a model of a horse's head, usually wooden, attached to a stick. This is often used by children to simulate riding a horse, see hobby horse.

A toy horse suspended by springs from a frame

Someone's favorite topic, to which he constantly reverts.

Ben.

Vampyroteuthis · 11-13-2008, 05:45 AM

Damn this is funny!!

11-10-2008, 08:29 PM	#6
mountainman Contributor Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Falls Creek, Oz. Posts: 11,192	the mainstream hobbyhorse is a donkey My Dear Detractors, May I present the mainstream hobby-donkey: Best wishes Pete :eating_popcorn:

11-13-2008, 05:45 AM	#9
Ben C Smith Veteran Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Midwest Posts: 4,787	Hobby horse (disambiguation), emphasis added: A hobby horse (or hobbyhorse) can be several things: "hobby"; a type of horse ridden in the Middle Ages by hobelars A toy horse, consisting of a model of a horse's head, usually wooden, attached to a stick. This is often used by children to simulate riding a horse, see hobby horse. A toy horse suspended by springs from a frame *Someone's favorite topic, to which he constantly reverts.* Ben.

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