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aa5874 · 02-15-2013, 12:51 AM

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But that doesn't in any way change the fact that those therapeutae referred to by Philo in DVC were Jewish for the obvious reasons I've already stated--

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Philo indicates that they are in fact Jewish

It is completely erroneous that Philo indicated the Therapeutae were Jewish. It was the Essenes that Philo indicated were Jews and lived in Judea.

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...Philo says not one single word about these 'theraputae' being 'Jewish'.

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He also doesn't say a single word indicating that Moses, Miriam, or the prophets are in fact Jewish either.

So, people were simply guessing the Therapeutae were Jewish once it is agreed that Philo never said so.

It is most remarkable that those who claim the Therapeutae were Jewish do NOT even know what it means to be Jewish or what it means to "indicate" that the Therapeutae were Jewish.

We can examine every word in "On the Contemplative Life" and not one word indicates that the Therapeutae were Jewish.

It is the REVERSE. Philo NEVER identified or indicated that a single Therapeutae lived in Judea, or was of Jewish origin.

aa5874 · 02-15-2013, 01:25 AM

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Your congregation has fuck all to do with the context in which Philo wrote. His presuppositions were those of a credent Jew in Alexandria. His audience was one which understood his Jewish religious references and allusions. When he describes these therapeutae as observing Jewish traditions to his Jewish audience, without indicating that they are not Jewish, it is exceptionally hard to conceive in such a context that he is not talking specifically about Jews.

What logical fallacies!!! What absurdities you post!!

It is wholly absurd that Jews only write about Jews. Philo specifically stated that the Therapeutae were found in ALL DISTRICTS of Egypt.

It is blatant nonsense that Philo could be referring only to Jews.

On the Contemplative Life

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Now this class of persons may be met with in many places, for it was fitting that both Greece and the country of the barbarians should partake of whatever is perfectly good; and there is the greatest number of such men in Egypt, in every one of the districts, or nomi as they are called, and especially around Alexandria; (22) and from all quarters those who are the best of these therapeutae proceed on their pilgrimage to some most suitable place as if it were their country...

Philo MUST have been writing about Egyptians if NOT all of them.

Chili · 02-15-2013, 06:53 AM

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Your congregation has fuck all to do with the context in which Philo wrote. His presuppositions were those of a credent Jew in Alexandria. His audience was one which understood his Jewish religious references and allusions. When he describes these therapeutae as observing Jewish traditions to his Jewish audience, without indicating that they are not Jewish, it is exceptionally hard to conceive in such a context that he is not talking specifically about Jews.

What logical fallacies!!! What absurdities you post!!

It is wholly absurd that Jews only write about Jews. Philo specifically stated that the Therapeutae were found in ALL DISTRICTS of Egypt.

It is blatant nonsense that Philo could be referring only to Jews.

On the Contemplative Life

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Now this class of persons may be met with in many places, for it was fitting that both Greece and the country of the barbarians should partake of whatever is perfectly good; and there is the greatest number of such men in Egypt, in every one of the districts, or nomi as they are called, and especially around Alexandria; (22) and from all quarters those who are the best of these therapeutae proceed on their pilgrimage to some most suitable place as if it were their country...

Philo MUST have been writing about Egyptians if NOT all of them.

I think they were all zapped and as zappee they stand united and go 'yippee' in the name of exultation, like children on the playground where to noise also is always the same.

And yes, these are also looking for that holy ground as it obviously is not the one they are standing on, and so 'on the move' they are, as 'look-alikes' who will befriend their neighbor of any sort so they can do him too.

Holly rollers, is what they are.

aa5874 · 02-15-2013, 07:46 AM

Again, Philo indicated that he was writing about people all over Egypt who were of the Therapeutae sect. It is wholly illogical that Philo was referring to ONLY Jews when he wrote about people in Egypt.

Philo indicated that the Therapeutae were in EVERY DISTRICT in Egypt and it is far more likely that Egyptians, NOT Jews, are in every DISTRICT of Egypt.

Philo's Therapeutae were Egyptians if NOT all of them.

Chili · 02-15-2013, 08:19 AM

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Again, Philo indicated that he was writing about people all over Egypt who were of the Therapeutae sect. It is wholly illogical that Philo was referring to ONLY Jews when he wrote about people in Egypt.

Philo indicated that the Therapeutae were in EVERY DISTRICT in Egypt and it is far more likely that Egyptians, NOT Jews, are in every DISTRICT of Egypt.

Philo's Therapeutae were Egyptians if NOT all of them.

So does a Jew 'out of Egypt called' still counts as Jew?

Cf the difference here between Matthew's "out of Egypt I have called my son" who made only a pitstop in Nazareth so he will "be called a Nazorean" but actually was not?

Then compare this with Luke where he was Judean through and through, with Nazareth as the prevailing dominance in the mind of this Jew.

I have a feeling that Eqypt is not the place to be as Jew, which now makes reference to a state of mind and not the physical boundaries of a land, for Jewish-ness pertains only to the Jew in him.

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aa5874 Contributor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: the fringe of the caribbean Posts: 18,988	Again, Philo indicated that he was writing about people all over Egypt who were of the Therapeutae sect. It is wholly illogical that Philo was referring to ONLY Jews when he wrote about people in Egypt. Philo indicated that the Therapeutae were in EVERY DISTRICT in Egypt and it is far more likely that Egyptians, NOT Jews, are in every DISTRICT of Egypt. Philo's Therapeutae were Egyptians if NOT all of them.

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