IamJoseph

The first part is correct, but its conclusion of Ceasar is not correct. Ceasar allowed the jews to conduct their own belief system, siting those beliefs predate Rome and thus not a mark of heresy - providing the taxes are paid. This is what the 'give to Ceasar what is Ceasar's' constituted. The taxes was paid.

What occured later is that Caligula issued his heresy decree with the requrement of Roman images placed in the temple of worship - this was not implemented by Herod because he knew this would never stand with the Jews. Caligula was even more insane than Nero, and declared himself divine, requiring all conquered nations to honor this decree.

However, in 66 CE, Nero resurrected this decree of Caligula - as a divergence of the charges upon him for a fire in Rome. This is what cuased the great revolt in Judea, and it was a result not of taxes but the heresy factor.

The heresy factor was taken on board by the Roman catholic church, for a greater period than Rome and it incurred far greater mass deaths. It is also proof the name of Jesus was used as a placebo here to perpetrate some of the greatest crimes in geo-History.

spamandham

Historically, slavery was finally only ended when people realized the Hebrew laws (and other religious laws) could not possibly have been handed down by any god, and ditched them in favor of a secular legal system. Joseph, please read the book you worship. It is filled to the brim with slavery, and not a single hint that there is anything wrong with the idea.

I can almost understand religious fanatics trying to reinvent history the way you've been doing, but it's rare to see them simply outright deny what their holy books directly say. Clearly, you don't like that aspect of the book you worship. Consider the possibility that no god likes it either, and that it was not inspired or handed down by any gods. Instead, it's just a set of books written by superstitious brutal ancients, and you've been duped by ancient con men.

:lol:

You can't make this stuff up folks. I think I'll submit this one to 'fundies say the darndest things'.

bacht

re slavery, here's a couple of items from the Josianic reformers:

You shall not give up to his master a slave who has escaped from his master to you; he shall dwell with you, in your midst, in the place which he shall choose within one of your towns, where it pleases him best; you shall not oppress him.

Deut 23.15-16

If your brother, a Hebrew man, or a Hebrew woman, is sold to you, he shall serve you six years, and in the seventh year you shall let him go free from you.
And when you let him go free from you, you shall not let him go empty-handed; you shall furnish him liberally out of your flock, out of your threshing floor, and out of your wine press; as the LORD your God has blessed you, you shall give to him.

Deut 15.12-14

When you go forth to war against your enemies, and the LORD your God gives them into your hands, and you take them captive, and see among the captives a beautiful woman, and you have desire for her and would take her for yourself as wife, then you shall bring her home to your house, and she shall shave her head and pare her nails.
And she shall put off her captive's garb, and shall remain in your house and bewail her father and her mother a full month; after that you may go in to her, and be her husband, and she shall be your wife.
Then, if you have no delight in her, you shall let her go where she will; but you shall not sell her for money, you shall not treat her as a slave, since you have humiliated her.

Deut 21.10-14

Doesn't sound so bad by Iron Age standards :huh:

spamandham

...actually, I think it sounds pretty typical by Iron Age standards....which were overall pretty brutal by modern standards.

storytime

Your history lessons says humanity owes a debt to the Jews for standing up to the most depraved characters and ushering the right to freedom of belief? That's a real stretch of imagination you have there Joseph. Ancient Judaism had the most depraved characters on earth. You really haven't read the OT have you?

Humanity owes no debt to the Jews. You really must stop trying to put "the Jews" on a pedestal as idols to be worshiped Joseph. If you want that type audience for adoration in kissing Jewish ass, you only need go where the ignorant Israel first fundamentalists post. They're willing to literally die for "the Jews".

Isn't it strange that the Israel first fundamentalists in the U.S. see "the Jews" as only being in the middle east state of Israel and where only white Jews are idolized as Israel "as seen on TV". I'll give Israeli leaders credit in being smart enough not to put the faces of black Jews on TV as representatives of Israel.