Toto

This discussion is wandering a bit from the topic. Has anyone here read the debate? Any opinions in KJV only-ism?

If the digression continues, I will split it off.

DISSIDENT AGGRESSOR

How so? By asking where people got the translations from and if they exist?

Sorry I'm not going to take some persons word for it, especialy when they claim that, let's say, "The KJV is the pseuds version" ad then uses "pseud" tactics to back it up! At least that's what I'm trying to discover, sorry Toto if the way I question doesn't fit your personal criteria or that of the upper fora. I'll stop posting and use pm instead.

Clouseau

That's a pretty quick change of reasoning!

Toto

I was actually thinking of all the back and forth that Clouseau is engaged in, like a tennis match without the net.

That topic is ok. It just might do better in its own thread. (But what is pseuds?)

Clouseau

Quite dazzling, isn't it.

Pseuds are pretenders to something- Christianity, in this case.

Chuck Rightmire

Indeed, I have read the debate although I haven't read all this thread. I really think the whole thing is moot. No matter what the source or inspiration or whatever, the translations of the bible have been through too many muddy roads to make a clean translation. Some of the old testament was passed down in Hebrew and Aramaic and then translated into Greek and Roman before it went into English publication. At one time, for a college paper i was doing back in the 14th century, I borrowed a bible from a Jewish professor. It had the Hebrew on one page and opposite was an English translation: from the KJV. I also understand that the Catholic English language version, the Douay, was available at the same time as the KJV or before and it is different from the KJV. But, unless someone accepts the bible and/or its inerrancy, what difference does it make?

Clouseau

The RCC's Douai was used as a source text for the KJV, one of several translations so used. The KJV is not so much a translation as a presentation, one made with long and careful scrutiny of translations.

Possibly not very much. But grown, intelligent, educated people get very hot under the collar about the KJV, even if they don't always seem to be grown, intelligent, educated people! The reason for this goes back, imv, to that KJV production, which was at the behest of a political dynast anxious to preserve political power and personal comforts- and the controversy regarding the KJV is still essentially political rather than religious.

Johnny Skeptic

The King James Version of the Bible is in English. If heaven exists, will everyone speak English?

Clouseau

If heaven is open only to those who use the same language in their religion as they do when ordering a taxi, there won't be many KJVOers there.

Johnny Skeptic

No it doesn't, especially regarding texts that were originally written thousands of years ago.

You surely do not believe that God inspired the writing of the Bible, right?