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GenesisNemesis · 07-01-2007, 09:50 PM

Genesis 7:2 "Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female." -King James Version

Now, how could Noah know what Clean and Unclean beasts were, if God had never told him prior to the building of the Ark? Does this mean that the story of Noah was written after the Leviticus laws of animal sacrifice were written? This is a question I can never seem to find an answer to. I'd really like to have a discussion on this.

Cheerful Charlie · 07-01-2007, 09:56 PM

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Genesis 7:2 "Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female." -King James Version

Now, how could Noah know what Clean and Unclean beasts were, if God had never told him prior to the building of the Ark? Does this mean that the story of Noah was written after the Leviticus laws of animal sacrifice were written? This is a question I can never seem to find an answer to. I'd really like to have a discussion on this.

Are aptosauruses and titanotheriums clean or unclean?

CC

GenesisNemesis · 07-01-2007, 09:56 PM

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Are aptosauruses and titanotheriums clean or unclean?

CC

That's pretty much my question. :Cheeky: Seriously though, are we just going to shrug this off?

fromdownunder · 07-01-2007, 11:22 PM

GenesisNemesis, do you seriously think that "solving" this will affect any Christian in any way at all?

Many Christians shrug off the OT anyway. Many do not even accept a literal world wide fludde.

YECs will find some convoluted reason (here is one: God actually told Noah which were which, but you can't put everything that happened in the Bible) to refute what you say.

It's a lot of fun to talk about at times, but it rarely goes anywhere.

Norm

GenesisNemesis · 07-01-2007, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by fromdownunder

GenesisNemesis, do you seriously think that "solving" this will affect any Christian in any way at all?

Many Christians shrug off the OT anyway. Many do not even accept a literal world wide fludde.

YECs will find some convoluted reason (here is one: God actually told Noah which were which, but you can't put everything that happened in the Bible) to refute what you say.

It's a lot of fun to talk about at times, but it rarely goes anywhere.

Norm

That's what I thought.

07-02-2007, 02:02 AM

Well my guess is that apatosaurus would be unclean, simply because you couldn't fit seven of the buggers on the Ark.

Clouseau · 07-02-2007, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by GenesisNemesis

Now, how could Noah know what Clean and Unclean beasts were, if God had never told him prior to the building of the Ark? Does this mean that the story of Noah was written after the Leviticus laws of animal sacrifice were written? This is a question I can never seem to find an answer to. I'd really like to have a discussion on this.

It is quite possible that the flood allegory was written post Sinai, and the first creation allegory, making use of a Mesopotamian seven day week, likewise. It is quite hard to imagine who would have written Genesis 1-11 before Sinai.

However, the concept of clean and unclean animals was already common in the region, so the flood story would have made sense much earlier than the Levitical laws. In fact, there are instructions regarding uncleanness in Lev. 5, before the 'official list' of Lev. 11.

Lucretius · 07-02-2007, 04:21 AM

Why take any "unclean beasts " in any case surely this would have been a perfect time to start again from scratch with no "unclean animals " left living on the planet ?

Clouseau · 07-02-2007, 04:52 AM

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Why take any "unclean beasts " in any case surely this would have been a perfect time to start again from scratch with no "unclean animals " left living on the planet ?

Ecology.

Tigers! · 07-02-2007, 06:00 AM

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(here is one: God actually told Noah which were which, but you can't put everything that happened in the Bible)
Norm

I can live with that.

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fromdownunder Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Lara, Victoria, Australia Posts: 2,780	GenesisNemesis, do you seriously think that "solving" this will affect any Christian in any way at all? Many Christians shrug off the OT anyway. Many do not even accept a literal world wide fludde. YECs will find some convoluted reason (here is one: God actually told Noah which were which, but you can't put everything that happened in the Bible) to refute what you say. It's a lot of fun to talk about at times, but it rarely goes anywhere. Norm

07-02-2007, 02:02 AM	#6
mung bean Guest Posts: n/a	Well my guess is that apatosaurus would be unclean, simply because you couldn't fit seven of the buggers on the Ark.

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Lucretius Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: . Posts: 1,014	Why take any "unclean beasts " in any case surely this would have been a perfect time to start again from scratch with no "unclean animals " left living on the planet ?

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