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Old 09-30-2009, 09:48 AM   #391
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What the hell?
I take it that you don't watch the Discovery channel or the National Geographic? Go through your TV guide and search for these programs.. you will be amazed at what modern scientists are saying about the bible, and how it defies every law of science.

Are you saying that I can know the bible is the Word of God if I just watch more Discovery Channel?

Are you for real?
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I take it that you don't watch the Discovery channel or the National Geographic? Go through your TV guide and search for these programs.. you will be amazed at what modern scientists are saying about the bible, and how it defies every law of science.

Are you saying that I can know the bible is the Word of God if I just watch more Discovery Channel?

Are you for real?
If that's what you think I said.
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Old 09-30-2009, 09:52 AM   #393
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What the hell?
I take it that you don't watch the Discovery channel or the National Geographic? Go through your TV guide and search for these programs.. you will be amazed at what modern scientists are saying about the bible, and how it defies every law of science.
This is pretty funny! The stories in the bible do in fact defy laws of science. (maybe not "every' law). And there is no evidence anywhere that any of those miraculous things really happened, no more than Paul Bunyan and his Great Blue Ox.

Now please find us ONE discovery by ONE scientist of something taht defies science.

It is also funny that you worry about researching the greek and aramaic origins of the KJ bible, but wouldnt apparently dream of going to a primary source on scientific matters. TV or creothologist websites are good enough?
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God is a God of love, but also a God of vengeance and wrath.
Since when is being vengeful and angry a good thing?

Those are character flaws that wise and healthy individuals attempt to reduce or eliminate.

You sound like an abused wife making excuses for her husband's temper tantrums.
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Do you think he's going to forgive you for completely ignoring the 4th commandment for your entire mortal life?
I don't know. That's up to him. If he knows what is truly in my heart, then yes, I believe he will forgive. We are only human, we make mistakes, we live troubled lives.. He understands all of this quite clearly.
Hmm...sounds like you are saying that you can pretty much do whatever you want, follow whatever rules you want, pick and choose the precepts you want to follow and still expect God to welcome you with open arms.

I'm pretty sure that goes against most Christian teachings.

It sounds to me like you refuse to embrace orthodox Christianity so you can do the cafeteria style thing.

So much for taking the good with the bad.

Couldn't I, as an non-Christian, use your same line of thinking? Hey, God's a loving kind of dude, I'll just do what I want and if it turns out there is a God, I'm sure he'll welcome me in.
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WTF? He also commands not to steal in the same list of commandments!


Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody. If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord. On the contrary: "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head."Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
Yes, thank you for proving my point. My God isn't as wicked as you assume. You have been cornered into admitting God is good.

I was hoping there would be an atheist that would decipher good from evil in the eyes of God sooner or later..
Are you high? How could you have completely missed my point? You said you would kill anyone who harmed your child, and yet Jesus speaks against this.

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What other parts of the bible are you personally allowed to disobey?
I'm not permitted to disobey any parts of the bible. I'm no one special. I said, I don't think God will send me to Hell for stealing $5 from someone. Afterall, he is a God of forgiveness, right? If he would send me to Hell for eternity, then he is going against his Word, and he did not sent Christ to save me from my sinful ways.
Murder and theft are both sins forbidden by the ten commandments. It doesn't matter if you killed someone or stole five bucks, according to Christianity if you are unforgiven, you will go to hell for EITHER trespass.
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The equivocation on good vs right and evil vs wrong is clear. IBelieveInHymn has to fabricate a difference in order to preserve his beliefs. There is obviously no rational, let alone linguistic, basis for the effort so a rational argument is unlikely to bring about a change in his position.

Willful ignorance creates a mighty, circular wall around cherished beliefs.
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Hmm...sounds like you are saying that you can pretty much do whatever you want, follow whatever rules you want, pick and choose the precepts you want to follow and still expect God to welcome you with open arms.
If God can save an atheist on his deathbed, then why wouldn't he save one of his believers even though his life was off track just a tad?

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I'm pretty sure that goes against most Christian teachings.
Yes it does.. Jesus said; Live everyday like it's your last.

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It sounds to me like you refuse to embrace orthodox Christianity so you can do the cafeteria style thing.
I will never commit to one certain denomination. I believe Jesus is God, and that's all I need to know. I don't need to give a preacher any more money than he already has.

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Couldn't I, as an non-Christian, use your same line of thinking? Hey, God's a loving kind of dude, I'll just do what I want and if it turns out there is a God, I'm sure he'll welcome me in.
But the difference between you and I is, I believe in God and you don't. That's all he wants is for us to believe in him.

I meet Jesus face to face, he will know I was saved in his Name. And he will grant me eternal life.

When you meet Jesus face to face, he's going to look at you and say, You didn't know me, so I do not know you.
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Murder and theft are both sins forbidden by the ten commandments. It doesn't matter if you killed someone or stole five bucks, according to Christianity if you are unforgiven, you will go to hell for EITHER trespass.
Well, needless to say, I've never stolen 5 dollars from anyone, nor have I murdered someone. I was using examples.
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Murder and theft are both sins forbidden by the ten commandments. It doesn't matter if you killed someone or stole five bucks, according to Christianity if you are unforgiven, you will go to hell for EITHER trespass.
Well, needless to say, I've never stolen 5 dollars from anyone, nor have I murdered someone. I was using examples.
But every week you break the 4th commandment. Murder and theft are actually less important commandments than the 4th since they're lower on the list. The importance of the commandments by their order is evidenced by what YHWH chooses as the 1st commandment.
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