Heurismus

Actually it's a 750cc Bonneville, re-jetted, re-blown and ready for a divine pillion. HD has no mention in the Bible I'm afraid.

Demigawd

Would someone please confess that what you really want; is to do whatever you want, to whomever you want, whenever you want - and be free of all accountability.

Ok, I confess. I would have gotten away with molesting those kids, pouring sugar in their grandmother's car's gas tank, and turning their pet gerbil into a crackhead if it wasn't for that meddlesome savior and his dog! Curses! <twists end of waxed moustache>

Sparrow

It seems to me that most everyone here has been honest and I think that includes you. I think you actually believe that pile of unsubstatiated drivel you call a holy book has all the answers of life. Most of the atheists here have put more thought into understanding those writings than you obviously have.

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Rally the troups to offer or acquire some new "evidence" against the Bible!

The old evidence is more than enough.

[/B][/QUOTE] Hey... Lets be real. Jesus Christ lived just as surely as Alexander the Great. [/B][/QUOTE]

Yah, born in a manger and all that. Wise men followed the star to bring gifts to the recently born messiah. They just forgot to write it down anywhere.

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People have tried to destroy the Bible for 2000 years and have failed.

They'll have to try harder I suppose.

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The Temple ruins are a fact.

So is evolution, but that's a different forum.

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Come on... What are you really upset about? Could it be the statements of Jesus Christ?

Since no one can verify what he actually said, if he even existed, I won't take offence. I'll .. uh.. turn the other cheek.

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Will someone please admit that the passage below is really what all the fuss is about? Would someone please confess that what you really want; is to do whatever you want, to whomever you want, whenever you want - and be free of all accountability.

If I admitted that I would not be honoring your request to be "honest". Further, I don't think that most atheists subscribe to the (lack of) morality you attempt to imbue us with.

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"I assure you, unless you are born again, you can never see the Kingdom of God. For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. God did not send his Son into the world to condemn it, but to save it. There is no judgment awaiting those who trust him. But those who do not trust him have already been judged for not believing in the only Son of God. Their judgment is based on this fact: The light from heaven came into the world, but they loved the darkness more than the light, for their actions were evil. They hate the light because they want to sin in the darkness. They stay away from the light for fear their sins will be exposed and they will be punished. But those who do what is right come to the light gladly, so everyone can see that they are doing what God wants." - John Chapter 3

Is your god omnipotent? If so, couldn't he have more children? For that matter, couldn't he have arranged the everlasting life part without killing his own son?

Is your god omniscient? If so, isn't he already aware of everything we've already said and done, for that matter, will do? If I've displeased him, then he must know where to find me and can send a lightning bolt my way any time.

Here's a test for you. Go find the holy book of any other religion than your own. Using only rational thought (I didn't say it would be an easy test) and hard evidence, explain why that religion is false. Practice on a couple more religions if you like. Then take a fresh look at your own religion. Let us know the outcome.

Schopenhauer

I seem to recall fundy freakshows being the ones who brag about how much murdering/raping/etc. they'd do if they knew there is no god. We are law-abiding in spite of our lack of belief in a diety. We are more ethical than you.

MsChutzpah

I AM being honest; that is why at the age of 50 when I really examined the entire Jesus-died-for-your-sins mytical story (along with many other god myths of similar stories), I determined it to be one huge HOAX. Yeah, it can be really hard to accept and get over losing your faith in a comfortable, cozy security blankie after such long years wandering around in la la land, but......HONESTY=reality is ohhhh so much much better.

Boomeister

You found us out! Dang it, yous people am smart! We truly believe Jesus is God and died for our sins, but we deny it to be spiteful. Yes, you heard it here. We see the evidence, it's all around us. The Scientists are actually in a conspiracy to make us think evolution is correct. We believe everything the bible says. The problem is God hardened our hearts, like he did to the Egyptian pharoah. The Infidel Forum is actually full of murders and rapists who are just so misunderstood. If only God would soften our hearts, we would stop. But until then, I am going to kill my enemies, take their virgin daughters, sacrifice animals...because as long as I pretend to not believe in God and Jesus then I won't be held accountable...yeah, that's it.


Boomeister

Infidelettante

Theists, knowing the mind of God, know all minds. How else to explain so clairvoyant a trait in such unclair people.

The Atheist, Poor Dear, having no fire-wire to the Holy of Holies can only marvel at how precisely the Theist dissects their Psyches.

Give in you unbelievers! There is left no place to hide from The All Knowing Theist.

The dark corners of your hearts are open to The All Knowing Theist as though a book.

The All Knowing Theist sees the soul and judges it soiled.

The All Knowing Theist rings the mind and hangs it out to dry in the breeze of apologetics.

The All Knowing Theist knows you Atheists, Poor Dears, really believe in the god of The All Knowing Theist but would rather resort to ages of subterfuge and eons of pretending you really, really, really don’t believe in the god of The All Knowing Theist.

The All Knowing Theist has mapped your threads.

The All Knowing Theist has rooted up your replies.

The All Knowing Theist condemns all your talk.

The All Knowing Theist unquotes your quotes.

The All Knowing Theist and his All Knowing Theist friends would never resort to talk and replies and quotes.

Why should they? They are All Knowing Theists after all. They already know it all.

What hope do you Atheists, Poor Dears, have against such as these?

JT

Norseman

Odd...

Ok, well first I must protest. The bible is false, it has been disproved, and the difference between being the word of god or not lies in the fact that if even one part of the bile is false (as many are) the bible could not have been written by god.

The bible says not to kill (ten commandments) but also says not to suffer witches to live (e.g. kill witches thus violating the ten commandments) by that alone I have just disproved the bible.

While that does not necessitate the nonexistance of the divinity in question it does eliminate all knowledge otherwise available on the subject.

As for your "free of all accountability" bit...

Let us look at a criminal christian and a criminal atheist:


Atheist: Oh no! I've killed this poor beggar who just broke into my house! Ack, now I'll probably have to go to court and there will be this whole big fuss and an investigation, poor beggar, poor me, why did he break into my house in the first place?

Christian: Oh no! I've killed this poor beggar who just broke into my house! God forgive me! All better.

Atheists could do whatever they want without fear of god, and indeed they do, but with restraint. Atheists don't do things just because they want to, otherwise I doubt you'd see many working atheists, afterall they could just rape, kill, and steal from every woman they met could they not? Obviously this isn't the case.

Christians on the other hand, could do every evil deed in the world, then beg for forgiveness, and voila, no more sin on their hands 'cause jesus just wiped it off.

Furthurmore, atheism is not a choice, atheism is an epiphany to some, second nature to others, as such, atheists really don't believe all the superstitious mubo jumbo from any religion you pick; christianity included. An atheist that still fears god is not an atheist at all, as an atheist would be incapable of fearing that which he believes does not exist.

You will not receive a confession of fear of god from one who does not assume such a being exists.