philbar

The Hebrew word for Heaven, 'Shamayim', is defined as three things: the abode of God, sky, and the visible universe.

Exegesis scripture to show me Elijah was taken to the abode of God rather then sucked up in say a tornado and was directly saved by God rather than through the blood of Jesus.

voodoomage

Prophecy is open to interpretation. Depends on who you ask. Plenty of people already believe that the beast has come and that the mark is already upon many people.

EarlOfLade

Well, a belief in Satan requires a belief in god. I do not believe nor do I worship any of your fantasy figures, so your bible is not talking about me then...

aa5874

2KINGS2:11, 'And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder: and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven'.

Elijah was taken to heaven, alive, without the blood of Jesus, according to the Bible, which is fiction anyway.

philbar

Way to totally disregard my reply completely. Are you attempting to prove your ignorance...cause you sure are doing a great job of it.

Jack the Bodiless

Incorrect. In Genesis 2:17, God did indeed lie, in an attempt to prevent Adam and Eve from eating the fruit.

Previous thread on this: Adam and Eve: there was no "spiritual death"

The story is quite clear on this. It's also clear if you read the Sumerian original: the god Enki lies to the mortal Adapa to stop him eating the food of the gods and becoming immortal (telling him instead that the food will kill him). In the genesis version, the food of immortality is still there, but a new magical food is introduced and the "toxic lie" is transferred to it.

The Serpent tells the truth. This is obvious because the Serpent's description of the food's effects in Genesis 3:4-5 directly contradicts God's description in Genesis 2:17, but is confirmed by the description of what happened when the fruit was eaten in Genesis 3:7.

Your version is Paul's mangling of the Hebrew mangling of the original story.

Cosmik Debris

Genisis:

12:10 There was a famine in the land. Abram went down into Egypt to live as a foreigner there, for the famine was severe in the land. 12:11 It happened, when he had come near to enter Egypt, that he said to Sarai his wife, “See now, I know that you are a beautiful woman to look at. 12:12 It will happen, when the Egyptians will see you, that they will say, ‘This is his wife.’ They will kill me, but they will save you alive. 12:13 Please say that you are my sister, that it may be well with me for your sake, and that my soul may live because of you.”

12:14 It happened that when Abram had come into Egypt, the Egyptians saw that the woman was very beautiful. 12:15 The princes of Pharaoh saw her, and praised her to Pharaoh; and the woman was taken into Pharaoh’s house. 12:16 He dealt well with Abram for her sake. He had sheep, cattle, male donkeys, male servants, female servants, female donkeys, and camels. 12:17 Yahweh plagued Pharaoh and his house with great plagues because of Sarai, Abram’s wife. 12:18 Pharaoh called Abram and said, “What is this that you have done to me? Why didn’t you tell me that she was your wife? 12:19 Why did you say, ‘She is my sister,’ so that I took her to be my wife? Now therefore, see your wife, take her, and go your way.”

12:20 Pharaoh commanded men concerning him, and they brought him on the way with his wife and all that he had.



God may not have verbalized the lie told by Abram, but, being god, he would have known Abram was going to lie in Egypt, he would have known of the lie when it happened, and instead of punishing the liar, Abram, he punished the Pharaoh, who thought the woman was Abrams sister. So god, through the lie, helped Abram get what he needed because he knew that the Pharaoh would be taken in by Sarai’s beauty, and for that reason alone deal with Abram. God used the lie to further his cause. God manipulated Abram through promises of great rewards and when god led him to Egypt he knew exactly what would happen.

God here is worse than a liar.

philbar

Where in scripture does it ever claim God choose Abram because he was perfect?

philbar

You couldn't be more wrong!

Matthew 10:28 - Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

Revelation 2:11 - He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches He who overcomes will not be hurt by the second death.

Revelation 20:6 - Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.

Revelation 20:14 - Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire This is the second death, the lake of fire.

Revelation 21:8 - "But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

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Translation: "Anbyone who doesn't think and act like me is an evil being whom God will destroy, then you'll all be sorry for laughing at me."

I noticed you didn't respond to my challenge at prove that demons and devils exist. Or prove that they possess people.