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Amaleq13 · 11-24-2005, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Secular Pinoy

You still haven't shown how it was a prophecy, you only assert ad nauseam. While that might work in your church, it is woefully inadequate here.

It seems to me that Matthew 24:14 qualifies as a prophecy. What else would you call a prediction of specific future events which will precede The End?

It is a prophecy and a command which makes it a self-fulfilling prophecy given Christian obedience.

mata leao's observation deserves nothing but a shrug and a "So what?". We are all well aware that Christians tend to obey what they consider to be commands from their Lord.

mata leao · 11-24-2005, 10:50 AM

keep shrugging and saying so what, as the fulfillment continues!

Johnny Skeptic · 11-24-2005, 01:35 PM

Message to Mata Laeo: Will you please reply to my post #40? I have noticed that you usually convenienty avoid replying to my posts because you don't want to embarrass yourself.

gregor · 11-24-2005, 06:18 PM

Mato - Again, answer me - why did the church get slammed in 150 CE because Jesus hadn't returned as promised? And why should we be more expectant than people were 1950 years ago?

John A. Broussard · 11-24-2005, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mata leao

keep shrugging and saying so what, as the fulfillment continues!

The cogency of your comments are truely amazing. Every question posed to you has received a direct, clear, concise non-answer.

I sure would like to know where you got the training to become a Champion U.S. Debater.

It's simply impossible to refute anything in your posts.

luminous · 11-25-2005, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by gregor

why did the church get slammed in 150 CE because Jesus hadn't returned as promised?

I must admit that I'm pretty ignorant of Christian history, but am learning. Can you give me some sources which show that the church was "slammed in 150 CE" because Jesus hadn't returned? Is there any writing by church fathers prior to 150 CE which talk about Jesus' imminent return?

Johnny Skeptic · 11-25-2005, 12:55 AM

The Great Commission is a fraud. Hundreds of millions of people have died without ever having heard the Gospel message. Such being the case, why was it necessary that anyone hear the Gospel message? In addition, why did God wait for thousands of years before he gave the world the Gospel message?

gregor · 11-25-2005, 06:57 AM

Liviu

Thanks for the reply (in lieu of mato) 2 Peter is a text dated to 150 CE. It is not a continuation of 1 Peter and was not mentioned by early fathers, hence its late date. For a discussion of its dating, check out earlychristianwritings.org.

In 2 Peter 3, the author is basically pointing out the ridicule being directed at the early church by people stating essentially "your messiah promised his return soon, but all the founders of your church have long since died without his return. Sounds like a false prophet to us." Yet the author is trying to encourage people to 'stay the course' because Jesus will return any day now.

John A. Broussard · 11-25-2005, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by gregor

Liviu

Thanks for the reply (in lieu of mato) 2 Peter is a text dated to 150 CE. It is not a continuation of 1 Peter and was not mentioned by early fathers, hence its late date. For a discussion of its dating, check out earlychristianwritings.org.

Good site. Biased but thorough. It's actually at www.earlychristianwritings.com

Amaleq13 · 11-25-2005, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by John A. Broussard

Good site. Biased but thorough. It's actually at www.earlychristianwritings.com

In what sense is Peter's website "biased"? I don't find that to be accurate at all.

11-24-2005, 01:35 PM	#43
Johnny Skeptic Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 19,796	Bible Prophecy-the Great Commission Message to Mata Laeo: Will you please reply to my post #40? I have noticed that you usually convenienty avoid replying to my posts because you don't want to embarrass yourself.

11-25-2005, 12:55 AM	#47
Johnny Skeptic Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 19,796	Bible Prophecy-the Great Commission The Great Commission is a fraud. Hundreds of millions of people have died without ever having heard the Gospel message. Such being the case, why was it necessary that anyone hear the Gospel message? In addition, why did God wait for thousands of years before he gave the world the Gospel message?

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11-24-2005, 10:50 AM	#42
mata leao Banned Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: tampa,florida Posts: 342	keep shrugging and saying so what, as the fulfillment continues!

11-24-2005, 06:18 PM	#44
gregor Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 932	Mato - Again, answer me - why did the church get slammed in 150 CE because Jesus hadn't returned as promised? And why should we be more expectant than people were 1950 years ago?

11-25-2005, 06:57 AM	#48
gregor Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 932	Liviu Thanks for the reply (in lieu of mato) 2 Peter is a text dated to 150 CE. It is not a continuation of 1 Peter and was not mentioned by early fathers, hence its late date. For a discussion of its dating, check out earlychristianwritings.org. In 2 Peter 3, the author is basically pointing out the ridicule being directed at the early church by people stating essentially "your messiah promised his return soon, but all the founders of your church have long since died without his return. Sounds like a false prophet to us." Yet the author is trying to encourage people to 'stay the course' because Jesus will return any day now.

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