Johnny Skeptic

That is false. Consider the following Scriptures from the NASB:

Genesis 17:6-8

"I will make you exceedingly fruitful, and I will make nations of you, and kings will come forth from you. I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your descendants after you. I will give to you and to your descendants after you, the land of your sojournings, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God."

Please note "all of the land of Cannan, for an everlasting possession." The Partition of Palestine in 1948 did not grant the Jews anywhere near "all" of the land of Canaan, and the everlasting convenant cannot begin until Jews control all of the land of Canaan.

If Jesus returns soon, what about the everlasting covenant? Surely ancient Jews believed that many generations of Jews would occupy all of Canaan in this life, not in a future life. In addition, surely ancient Jews believed that a messiah would rule Israel in this life, not in a future life. Micah 5:2 says "But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Too little to be among the clans of Judah, From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel His goings forth are from long ago, From the days of eternity." Obviously, Jesus did not become ruler in Israel.

Johnny Skeptic

American does not have the funds and manpower to take over and maintain control of Iraq, in spite of spending trillions of dollars, let alone the entire Middle East.

No we won't.

No, President Obama is using tough words only in order to try to give Americans a feeling of security, and to try to prevent Republicans from calling him a weak President. I am not criticizing President Obama. I am simply stating what is probably true.

I request that you ask any U.S. general if the U.S. would be able to win a conventional war in the Middle East against Russia. The correct answer is "no." Russia would easily be able to sink all of our ships with missiles.

IBelieveInHymn

I've been over this with you already. I've explained the answers, but you failed to respond.

http://bible.org/seriespage/believe-...genesis-171-27

Sheshbazzar

Even if we did get sucked into another war, it would be just that, just another war.
No angels are going fly down out of the sky and gather up the religious lunatics, and no imaginary god/man is going to make a dramatic grand entrance and force everyone to ever after live like 10th c BCE Jews.
In the end, all of the religious claims are going to prove to have been only so much misunderstanding of the past, and of the cultures that produced these religious texts, combined with wishful thinking, superstition, and just plain old hokum.

Johnny Skeptic

I was not aware of that. Which post are you referring to?

That link does not have anything to do with the arguments that I used. Genesis 17:6-8 clearly states that the land covenant refers to "all" of the land of Canaan as an "everlasting" covenant. There is not any historical evidence that those Scriptures were fulfilled in the past, they certainly are not presently fulfilled, and there is not any credible evidence that they ever will be fulfilled.

Johnny Skeptic

Message to IBelieveInHymn: Please make a post in my thread at the General Religious Discussions Forum at http://www.freeratio.org/showthread.php?t=275259 that is titled "Message to conservative Christians: Why does God predict the future?"

WilliamFearless

I remember when my smug and self-righteous "Christian" friends did that to me.

IBelieveInHymn

I just don't want to be bothered by anyone. I would rather be fruitful for Christ than relate to my old friends. I have given my life to Christ, even my wife notices how I'm more distant. A man asked Jesus, How do we know we are saved? Jesus said, have you not heard the laws of Moses? Love God with all of your mind, body, heart and soul. A Mysterious Force has taken over me..

badger3k

Did you count your midichlorians?

Lógos Sokratikós

The same could be said of anyone here heatedly discussing. Just because someone is arguing as if they were right (against no matter how many others which s/he consider "wrong"), doesn't mean they consider themselves infallible.

One could have the same impression of an atheist on a Christian (or whatever other religion) discussion board.