Deus Ex

No. This is you creatively interpreting the text to suit your own made up theology.

Every Christian sect interprets the bible differently; and everyone thinks that there particular exegesis is the correct one.

Some say salvation is thru faith; some say it require works; some say you have to be a member of a specific church; some say you have to be baptized, while others say you don't. Point being: Christians are not unified. How are we supposed to submit to God's will when 'his' followers can't decide amongst themselves what 'his' will is?

the coming of the son of man in glory refers to the Parousia. You are just making excuses because you cannot accept that the text does not fit your presuppositions.

ChristMyth

I am not arguing that a man name Jesus never actually existed. What I am arguing is that we have no reason to believe that the man named Jesus spoke any of the words written in the Bible. Therefore, we do not know if Jesus said anything at all even if you believe he was a real person in history.

I await your post.

No. What your researching for is rationalizations to what you believe. What's more interesting is that the verse you interpret as Jesus talking about his Resurrection is interpreted by others as the second coming. Are they believing in "sheer ignorance" as well? How is it that you hold the truth while others are in disillusion?

Once again, you search for rationalizations, nothing more. You are trying to bend the text to mean what you want it to mean and not what it actually means.

It could possibly mean anything you want it to mean. But, it doesn't. It means just what it says in context. Nothing more and nothing less.

Kapyong

Gday,

So why do we have several different versions of the Lord's Prayer?

Supposedly Jesus taught the directly to his followers.
Surely they would remember his words accurately?

But in fact -
we have TWO different versions of it in the Gospels, and several other versions in other manuscripts.

The Lord's Prayer is one of the most VARIANT parts of the entire NT - how true and accurate are those words?

Which of the 1/2 dozen versions of the Lord's Prayer is the "true and accurate" version, IBelieveInHymn?


K.

Amaleq13

But that isn't what the text says so my point stands. Stop pretending you care what actual words are used. You clearly don't.

Voice of reason

Your answer was wrong. Just because you have an answer does not mean it is valid or worthwhile.

The bible clearly contradicts itself in Greek or in English in the verses I presented. the link you provided failed to explain the contradiction.

There was no fact to accept.

Dark Virtue

No, it does NOT make perfect sense.

We're talking about an omnimax being here.

If I, with a finite intelligence and limited compassion can see problems with the way things are, an omnimax being could have made this all happen without one ounce of pain because of that perfect love and compassion.

IBelieveInHymn

I understand what you're saying, but I think God wants to teach us a lesson. And I don't have a problem with God showing his wrath on us. We brought it on ourselves. Whether you believe that is cruel or not shouldn't matter, because in your head, God doesn't exist, and these stories are just mythical.

I don't see why atheists always enjoy pointing out God's wrath on evil people, but they always avoid the Psalm verses. Goodness and love will always follow me. The LORD hates his angels, but loves mankind. This verse is telling us that God loves us, and he will protect us.

He offers us eternal peace and harmony, by nothing more than just believing he exists. That's all he wants.

Believe in me and I shall grant you a crown of life.

Allah wants us to spill the blood of the infidels to get into Heaven and receive 72 virgin for all eternity.

Yahweh sounds like a good guy compared to this allah character.

Sai

Damning with faint praise, that's called.

i had this idea that if there were many gods, and many earths... and you could communicate with those other people, you might ask hey what god did you guys get? sorta like 6th graders asking who you got for English.

You say, un, Yahweh..or allah... and they say, oh shit you poor guys! That guys a total psycho!

Dark Virtue

We brought it upon ourselves?

No, we were placed in a situation where we were GUARANTEED to fail.

How is that loving and compassionate?

Would you put your child in a room full of poisoned candy with a cute little teddy bear telling them to try just one piece and expect them not eat?

Give me a break.

IBelieveInHymn

Yes, you bring it on yourself. If you reject God, you will be punished. That's the bottom line.

You are only guaranteed to fail if you disobey God.

God offers you a chance at eternal salvation, but you choose to disobey Him, then you will complain about the consequences. You can blame no one but yourself.

This doesn't compare to disobeying God. God wants to be worshipped and praised, if you do not do so, you will die. That's that.