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Old 06-25-2005, 01:38 AM   #111
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Are you certain that HIV did not exist then?
Pretty much.

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How do you know that?
Because there is trace of an account of the disease AIDS before the 20th Century.

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When and how did HIV emerge?
In the 1970s, by a mutation of SIV, probably jumping from a simian to human population through predation (ie. African hunters eating infected apes).

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They at least are mainly responsible for the spread in the human society and for the emergence of the resistant strain.
Nope. By far most AIDS is in Africa, where homosexuals are not a factor in its spread.

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Why should the Muslims, in spite of poverty and ignorance, enjoy the “ intelligent behavior�? while the people of the advance nations be deprived from it?
The question is nugatory, since not all muslims are poor, not all muslim countries are backward, and not all advanced countries have a high incidence of HIV/AIDS.

What's more, several muslim countries don't bother to maintain an HIV screening program, and simply report zero HIV/AIDS rates without evidentiary foundation, arguing "Muslims are moral, moral people don't get HIV, therefore muslims don't get HIV. Our people are muslims, and therefore there is no need for us to test. We know a priori that the incidence of HIV in our country is zero".

Both the major and the minor premises of this syllogism are false. Some muslims are sexual libertines. Some moral people contract HIV and develop AIDS. And any country that thinks its religion or other cultural features make it immune from HIV/AIDS is sitting on a ticking bomb.
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Old 06-26-2005, 11:40 PM   #112
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Question Become Lesbian or risk AIDS?

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Women don't "become" lesbians any more than men "become" gay. You eluded the question, though.
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If lesbianism is prescribed as a preventive measure against STDs what can prevent females from becoming lesbians?

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If AIDS is a punishment for homosexuality, how come the vast majority of those infected in Africa are heterosexual? How come lesbians are very rarely infected? How come gay Japanese men, among others, are comparatively spared?
If AIDS is a punishment for sexual "misconduct", how come some people are infected via blood transfusion? How come many (virgin!) children are infected too?
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Your argument doesn’t make any sense, just like saying why the president who starts a war doesn’t get hurt? Or why the pilot who drops the bomb doesn’t get killed? Is this a sufficient justification for starting a war or dropping a bomb?

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Saeed, what do you think about the problem of overpopulation?
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Old 06-27-2005, 12:31 AM   #114
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No answer to post #97?
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Old 06-27-2005, 03:57 AM   #115
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Is this true? Are you sure? How do you know?
This is what the article says and as far as I know it could be correct.

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Old 06-27-2005, 04:00 AM   #116
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Saeed, what do you think about the problem of overpopulation?
I think there are better ways of tackling it than AIDS and extinction.
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Old 06-27-2005, 04:44 AM   #117
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If lesbianism is prescribed as a preventive measure against STDs what can prevent females from becoming lesbians?
A heterosexual woman can have lesbian sex but she can't "become" a lesbian. Similarly, a gay man can get married to a woman and have children but that won't make him heterosexual. He'll still be attracted to men. He'll also have a miserable sex life (or more probably a secret gay life as is often the case in the Muslim world).

See, homo/hetero/bisexualities aren't chosen. Various sexual orientations exist in most animal species (especially but not only in mammals) and are part of the diversity of nature. If your crappy Koran had any valuable scientific facts in it, it would acknowledge that.

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What are you talking about? How is that analogy relevant to anything???
Are you saying that AIDS was invented and/or spread by Japanese gay men? They passed it on to virgin African children??????

The Japanese have a low HIV infection rate for two reasons: they use condoms systematically except when they wanna have a child and they live on an archipelago where there are few foreigners (especially from countries with high HIV rates). Pre-marital sex is the norm in Japan for both men and women and homosexuality has always been tolerated (Japanese homophobes exist but they're a recent product of the westernization of the country).

Can you please answer these questions directly and in a relevant way:
If your omnipotent god created AIDS to punish sexual misconduct, why are Japanese gays comparatively spared?
Why does AIDS rarely spread to lesbians?
Why can AIDS be transmitted to virgin people (including children) in non-sexual ways?
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When and how did HIV emerge?

In the 1970s, by a mutation of SIV, probably jumping from a simian to human population through predation (ie. African hunters eating infected apes).
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How do you know that no other such mutations did happen prior to this one?


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They at least are mainly responsible for the spread in the human society and for the emergence of the resistant strain.
Nope. By far most AIDS is in Africa, where homosexuals are not a factor in its spread.
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A case implicating homosexuals has been reported:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4260467.stm



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Why should the Muslims, in spite of poverty and ignorance, enjoy the “ intelligent behavior�? while the people of the advance nations be deprived from it?
The question is nugatory, since not all muslims are poor, not all muslim countries are backward, and not all advanced countries have a high incidence of HIV/AIDS.
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We are speaking about the majority.

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What's more, several muslim countries don't bother to maintain an HIV screening program, and simply report zero HIV/AIDS rates without evidentiary foundation, arguing "Muslims are moral, moral people don't get HIV, therefore muslims don't get HIV. Our people are muslims, and therefore there is no need for us to test. We know a priori that the incidence of HIV in our country is zero".

Both the major and the minor premises of this syllogism are false. Some muslims are sexual libertines. Some moral people contract HIV and develop AIDS. And any country that thinks its religion or other cultural features make it immune from HIV/AIDS is sitting on a ticking bomb.
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Secretive conduct is not limited to Muslim countries, democratic countries like India has also recently been accused of such practices.

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A case implicating homosexuals has been reported:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4260467.stm
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Huh?! :banghead:

The title of the article you provide us is: Drug-resistant HIV strain found. It is covering a report regarding a strain of HIV.

In this article, there is absolutely no word nor statement gave implication it has anything to do with gay/homosexuals.

Did you actually read the article that you gave us?
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Huh?! :banghead:

The title of the article you provide us is: Drug-resistant HIV strain found. It is covering a report regarding a strain of HIV.

In this article, there is absolutely no word nor statement gave implication it has anything to do with gay/homosexuals.

Did you actually read the article that you gave us?
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I can't wait to see the response to this one!
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