Johnny Skeptic

Are you saying that God was angry with humans, so he decided to create homosexuality in hundreds of species of birds and animals in order to punish humans?

Johnny Skeptic

How do you define "personal opinions"?

As you know, I recently started a new thread at the General Religious Discussions Forum and quoted you. The link is http://www.freeratio.org/showthread.php?t=259452. The title is "How is the Bible not the personal opinions of the authors?" I was hoping that you would be willing to embarrass yourself by making posts in that thread, but obviously, you don't. I understand, and I accept your admission of defeat. Even if you refuse to make any posts in that thread, I will still make posts in it from time to time in order to show new readers how evasive you are, and that you are not confident of your arguments.

Johnny Skeptic

Since I do not believe that the God of the Bible exists, will you please ask God to stop killing people and innocent animals with hurricanes? Do you recommend that amputees ask God for new limbs? Do you know of any cases where God has given an amputee a new limb? Do you know of any case where God has performed a miracle healing that probably would not have occured naturally?

Do you have any suggestions how people can try to verify the following claims:

1 - The God of the Bible created the heavens and the earth.

2 - A global flood occured.

3 - The Ten Plagues occured in Egypt.

4 - Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit.

5 - Jesus was born of a virgin.

6 - Jesus never sinned.

7 - Jesus' shed blood and death atoned for the sins of mankind.

In your opinion, does a person have to abandon the use of common sense, logic, and reason in order to try to verify the claims?

Johnny Skeptic

Are you saying that your claim that a global flood occurred is not a personal opinion?

spamandham

If someone is willing to accept that it's ok to punish all humans for all time for the misdemeanour of just one, then why not the whole universe as well?

Stephen T-B

"If someone is willing to accept that it's ok to punish all humans for all time for the misdemeanour of just one, then why not the whole universe as well?" (spamandham)
Ah - the mysteries of Divine Justice! Ours is not to reason why; ours is to fall upon our knees and cry " In God we trust". (Even after we've seen many thousands of his devotees slain by natural disasters; even after we've seen many millions killed slowly and agonosingly by ghastly diseases, and even after we see droves of them in failed marriages, suffer mental illnesses and become senile.)
Meanwhile, rhutchin airily informs us that if we want God's help, we only have to ask for it for god to reach out his arm and deliver us from the evils of this world. (I wonder if he recalls telling us that so many peopole died and suffered in New Orleans when Katrina struck because they probably weren't Christians - and presumably would not have asked for God's help?)

SeekingKnowledge

An interesting real time example of how the flawed logic inherant in religious doctrine effects us all...

lycanthrope

woohoo!! my internet is finally back on...

lycanthrope

hi jeff

the book store in my country dont stock these books, do u know if there are any alternative websites that have similiar contents as the books?

lycanthrope

Its just that how can we Christians say that we love people yet at the same time wish for the destruction of earth and its inhabitants? Its not possible to uphold the commandment "love thy neighbour" if we secretly wish that they will die so that we can have our "Blessed Hope"

Another fact is that a future, a sustainable future for our children and our children's children cannot be secured if a sizeable population buy into a doctrine where our end, our destruction and death is a good thing and even celebrated. If a mushroom cloud replaced New York city, there will be a sizable population in the world that will see it as a joyous events and think it will herald the End of Days...clearly one can see there is no future with that kind of mindset