neilgodfrey

What deeds of Jesus are worthy of renown without requiring a miraculous element to make them so?


Neil Godfrey

http://vridar.wordpress.com

aa5874

I would guess that if Jesus actually lived, his ability to deceive and make people believe he did miracles and raised himself from the dead, is by far his greatest achievement.

As far as I understand, deception and belief do not require any miraculous element.

gstafleu

Possibly some of the healings? I have in mind those where the ailment can be seen as a psychological one, and the driving out of the demons as a form of what we would now call therapy by a charismatic healer. Examples could be the two men from the Gadarenes (minus the pigs, probably). Then we have the mute who spoke after the healing (Mat 9:32-33). Possibly some physical healings if Jesus had real healing skills other than psychological (although I have heard it said, by a historian of medicine, that in the "old" days if you were sick the last thing you want to do was visit a "doctor").

Gerard Stafleu

Gamera

His "defense" of the woman caught in adultery, saving her from a stoning. The power of his argument saves her from death, not any miraculous powers.

John 8

Doug Shaver

Aside from alleged miracles, the gospels report no deeds that were spectacular enough to make anyone think he was anything like a god.

RAFH

Funny enough, that's becoming my point of view these days. Bunch of quacks working for heartless, cold-blooded corporations who only care about profits.