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maryhelena · 09-10-2011, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by DCHindley

Just to clarify where I intend to go with this thread, and why I split off the discussion about Sebastian Moll, I intend to compare Gal 4:21-31, and some other passages in Paul & the Gospels, to events in the Jewish War that show how both Jews and Gentiles, former neighbors and friends, became very cruel to one another, including killing of moderates from the other faction who had allied themselves with the former.

It is eerily reminiscent of the atrocities that erupted in Bosnia-Herzegovina and Rwanda in the last couple decades. This I think can explain why Christians (almost all Gentiles) developed a somewhat cynical or even antagonistic attitude towards Jews, but at the same time seemed to know a lot about their holy books.

DCH

Thanks, David, for clarifying your motivation for your thread:
I’d also like to clarify why I brought the book by Sebastian Moll, The Arch-Heretic Marconi, into the discussion.

Stephan Huller made the following statement:

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Originally Posted by stephan huller

"The idea that the Marcionites were dualists results from a confusion over early (imaginary) sources."

I countered that statement with a quote from Sebastian Moll’s book.

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Originally Posted by maryhelena

"Marcion’s dualism forms without doubt the centre of his doctrine.................... he simply distinguished between an evil and a good God".

From that point onwards, Stephan Huller was hell-bend upon discrediting the scholarly study of Sebastian Moll. Leading eventually, to a reply to a post of mine that was in very bad taste - and which Stephan later edited.

I’m not going to go into the ins and outs of why Stephan Huller has sought to discredit Sebastian Moll’s book. I’ll simply refer anyone interested to the link below - a link referencing a blog post by Stephan Huller.

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Originally Posted by maryhelena

"Marcion Was a Heretic Invented in the Third Century to Gloss Over the Controversies Associated with St Mark in Second Century Palestine."

maryhelena · 09-10-2011, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DCHindley

maryhelena,

All I will say at this point is that any further discussion of Moll's book should be directed to the new thread created for it.

That thread does contain some interesting reading, with plenty of ancient sources on Marcion, Platonism in general, and Gnostic systems, as the nearest contemporary movements available for comparison.

DCH

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Originally Posted by maryhelena

Thanks, David, for clarifying your motivation for your thread:
I’d also like to clarify why I brought the book by Sebastian Moll, The Arch-Heretic Marconi, into the discussion.

Stephan Huller made [a] statement ... [and] I countered that statement with a quote from Sebastian Moll’s book. ...

From that point onwards, Stephan Huller was hell-bend upon discrediting the scholarly study of Sebastian Moll. Leading eventually, to a reply to a post of mine that was in very bad taste - and which Stephan later edited.

I’m not going to go into the ins and outs of why Stephan Huller has sought to discredit Sebastian Moll’s book. I’ll simply refer anyone interested to the link below - a link referencing a blog post by Stephan Huller.

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Originally Posted by maryhelena

"Marcion Was a Heretic Invented in the Third Century to Gloss Over the Controversies Associated with St Mark in Second Century Palestine."

David, I have no intention of furthering that discussion on this thread. As I said, my post was to clarify my position re how the discussion went the way it did - resulting in the split.

stephan huller · 09-10-2011, 09:27 AM

Mary Helena,

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my post was to clarify my position ...

I think to have the right to have a position on something you have to have read more than one book on the subject. Unless of course you're Mary Helena.

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