widowvirgin

very well put kilgore! ...pat on the back.

and what the japanese did to us is inexusable and horrific and what we did to them is the same. in the atom bomb case, i don't think the intention was genocide. the u.s. didn't say let's eliminate the japanese people. it's intention was to weaken the japanese so that they would surrendor.

when "the lord" says to eliminate an entire people because he feels like it or because he's jealous, that's genocide! whichever way you wanna see it god is the creator of genocide. want proof? read the bible.

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Vorkosigan

This looks like GRD to me.

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DaMan121

Why not? Christians certainly do.

jdlongmire

http://www.rationalchristianity.net/genocide.html

Kilgore Trout

This standard apologetic ignores the points I was making.

1.....It does not explain why god said "Do not leave alive anything that breathes. " This would include all the infants, small children and the animals. Why are they responsible for what the adults did? Killing children and animals because of the crimes of the adults is not justice, its genocide.

2....As I said, when a country attacks another country it's common for them to say that god is on their side and that the people they are attacking are disgusting people that don't deserve to live. So it's meaningless saying that a book written by the attackers is a reliable source for information on the morals of the tribe that was attacked. Just think about the Muslim terrorists, they say the U.S. is a bunch of infidels who deserve to die. All you are showing me is that the bible CLAIMS those tribes were evil. That is meaningless. It's about as reliable as those people who kill their family and then claim god told them to do it because they were evil people. The other tribes may have written that the Hebrews were sacrificing their young to god, as far as we know. They may have been really nice people that never hurt anyone, but we'll never know because their cities were obliterated by the Hebrews. They are not around to defend themselves. History is written by the victors. What do you expect the bible to say? That those tribes were really cool people who were very peaceful?

3....Assuming those tribes were evil, Why was it OK to kill them then, but then jesus comes along later and acts like you are a sicko if you don't love your enemies, or if you judge people. Why don't christians think its OK to kill all the "bad people" who are around today? Probably because they know that its sick to kill a group of people just because you don't like what they do. They are embarrassed that this stuff is in the bible, they just don't admit it.

Chili

The bible is all metaphor unless stated otherwise. Go to John 6:55 and you will see that the "body and blood of Christ is real food and real drink" to say that that line is not metaphor. If the bible says this to be true why would we not accept that and read the rest as if it was metaphor?

DaMan121

Where in the bible does it say, "by the way, take the following literally"?

Magdlyn

1) The genocide in the Hebrew Scriptures is fictional, or at the very least, a huge exaggeration. It was written much later to give the tiny Hebrew tribe a "heroic" back story.

Archeological research tells us, Jericho, at the time the attack upon it was supposed to have happened, was a humble hamlet, not a walled city.

2) The disconnect in the nature of YHWH and the entity Jesus called Father was noted in the early centuries CD. The Gnostics (soon mostly silenced by the ruling orthodoxy) had a solution for this glaring discrepancy. They determined J's Dad was the Ineffable Great God, and the creator of the Hebrew Scriptures, YHWH, the so-called "just" god, the murderer, was Ialdabaoth, or a the Demiurge, a blind childish lesser evil god.

Evoken

Yep..or our false perception of God.

widowvirgin

i'm not looking for an excuse or reason as to why god did it. i'm am simply stating that he created genocide! that's it! if you wanna justify it, fine...that's another argument. if you wanna condemn it, that's fine too.