Steven Carr

In 1 Samuel 15, God commands the Amalekites to be destroyed, cattle, children and all.



The Christian Cadre continue with their message of wickedness in their 'justification' of this Bible passage.


http://www.geocities.com/christianca...bk_amalek.html

The author writes :-

'The Amalekites were not judged because they weren't God's chosen people, but because God knew that each individual in the Amalekite culture children and infants included would not accept God's payment of their sin debt under any circumstances.

Thus, to God, the Amalekite culture, like many other cultures, was full of sinners who would not ever freely choose righteousness, but unlike those people in the Jewish culture, they were completely unredeemable.'

------------------------------
Surprisingly the author has just written - 'Thus, in Christian philosophy, there is no such thing as the unsaved person who would have turned to God under another set of conditions.'

Such is the level of thought of the Christian Cadre.

There is no such thing as an unsaved person who would have turned to God in other circumstances (such as personal visit from Jesus himself), so we unsaved are ALL unredeemable and apparently in mortal danger, as God kills people who are unredeemable.


The author continues his chilling message 'Moreover, God's knowledge is not dependent on age. God knows each of us in our mother's womb. (Psalm 139:13; Isaiah 44:2) He does not need to wait for any individual to become old and die of old age to know whether that person will receive God's offer to pay their sin-debt. Rather, God knows even before they are conceived what type of person the as-yet-unborn person will be and what they would ultimately do. Thus, God can cast judgement down on an
infant as easily as an old man since God knows infinitely and perfectly exactly what each of those people have done and will do in the course of their existences.'

Is this really the message of the Bible that Christians want to teach to sceptics?

The Evil One

Jesus love da smell o' dem roasting babies.... mmm, mmm!

Steven Carr

I forgot that God knows exactly what the infants in 1 Sam. 15 were destined to do. They were destined to die in infancy.

Starr

I was amazed when my parents made the same sort of justification for biblical atrocities. My father is a Charismatic Episcapal minister, and pretty much my whole family could be termed fundamentalist. They don't actively try to reconvert me, but this issue came to a head once when we were discussing creationism. Somehow we went from that to discussing atrocities commited by god, and their argument was essentially that mankind is under a curse, because of the Fall, so God is perfectly justified!

I asked how that squared with their beleif that God's nature was that of "agape" love and their response was: "Well how should God deal with sin then" !!!!

Essentially I had to tell them that even if they could somehow convince me the God of the bible exists, I still would not worship him, since I consider him to be evil. I don't think they could understand that....

Mentalepsy

I guess God was really impatient to get those sinners into hell.

Vinnie

I pointed out the same thing when critiquing the notion that conscious faith in Jesus is the only way to heaven in the context of those who have never heard the Gospels:

"It seems empirically false in that it cannot be seriously maintained that none of the people who have lived in cultures not exposed to the Gospel message would have responded in faith to it. "

Its really wishful apologetics and in addition, its dehumanizing, morally debasing and disrespectful to those cultures.

Vinnie

Mormon Mike

Hello All,

I'm new to the site, and I found this topic interesting and wish to pose a question:

Just because one's God removes individuals from the earth, does that necessarily mean He has passed judgment on them and condemned them to "hell"?

I don't recall reading anything of the such in 1 Sam. 15.

I would enjoy to get others thoughts on this.

Gothic_J

along similar lines -

http://losingmyreligion.com/articles...angelists.html

Doctor X

There is another thread on the History of Hell . . . however, there is nothing in the passage that indicates that YHWH wants the people to be roasting in some hereafter. That appears a foreign concept to the text. What matters is he demands the herem--the destruction of a people as a sacrifice to him which Saul fails to fully carry out.

Those who fail to carry out the herem suffer greatly in the OT texts.

--J.D.

Sven

And free will vanishes into thin air once again...