FRDB Archives

Freethought & Rationalism Archive

The archives are read only.


Go Back   FRDB Archives > Archives > Religion (Closed) > Biblical Criticism & History
Welcome, Peter Kirby.
You last visited: Today at 03:12 PM

 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 11-01-2010, 09:03 PM   #1
Contributor
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Los Angeles area
Posts: 40,549
Default Jesus Seminar: The Authentic Letters of Paul

The Authentic Letters of Paul: A New Reading of Paul's Rhetoric and Meaning (or via: amazon.co.uk) by Arthur J. Dewey, Roy W. Hoover, Lane C. McGaughy, and Daryl D. Schmidt

Quote:
Press Release

Since the 1880s, the Apostle Paul’s often-used phrase “faith in Jesus” has been mistranslated. “What happened in 1881 is that a new theological agenda gained sway. The rhetorical sound and flow of Paul’s speech was altered to fit that theological orthodoxy,” say scholars of the Jesus Seminar. In a new Scholars Version edition, entitled The Authentic Letters of Paul: A New Reading of Paul’s Rhetoric and Meaning, they translate the Greek phrase ek pisteos christou as “trust of Jesus,” rather than “faith in Jesus.” This new translation of Pauline letters joins The Complete Gospels—the Scholars Version edition of all of the canonical and noncanonical gospels from the first three centuries, which was just released in a fourth edition in September 2010.

Fellows of the Jesus Seminar began their work on Paul by distinguishing his authentic letters from others attributed to him, and disentangling the composite letters—2 Corinthians and Philippians—so that readers can see how their components look as separate pieces of correspondence. They then restored Paul’s voice in a fresh translation from the original Greek.

The Acts of the Apostles is a second-century text and cannot be trusted as an accurate history and framework for Paul’s letters, they say. Pauline terms like faith, Christ, grace, flesh, and sin were understood much less rigidly by first-century readers than they are now. Furthermore, Paul was not a Pastor sermonizing on established orthodoxy, because in Paul’s day orthodoxy did not yet exist. He was, rather, a visionary who employed a multitude of rhetorical devices to tease out the meaning of Jesus’ message for new converts. It was past time, according to authors Arthur Dewey, Roy Hoover and Lane McGaughy, to free Paul’s language from 2000 years of theological accretions and orthodox mandates, and rediscover its original meaning. “This ‘new reading’ of Paul’s letters is, like the apostle’s own thinking and writing, fresh, full of energy, and constructively provocative,” says Victor Paul Furnish of Southern Methodist University. “It speaks to us as the letters were probably heard in the first centuries,” added his colleague Joseph B. Tyson.

Readers who are new to Pauline scholarship may be surprised to learn that not all of the letters attributed to Paul in the New Testament were written by him. Scholars have long observed that it was accepted practice in the ancient world for followers of famous figures to write in their names. Paul was no exception. It is widely thought that followers of Paul probably penned 1 and 2 Timothy and Titus, for instance, as well as Ephesians and Colossians. The authors of The Authentic Letters of Paul judge seven letters to be authentic. And, in a near-complete reversal of the canonical order, they reorder the letters chronologically from first to last as follows: 1 Thessalonians, Galatians, 1 and 2 Corinthians, Philemon, Philippians, and Romans.

...
There is a review on Amazon that lists some of the translations:

Quote:
The Jesus Seminar Scholars gifted rendition of Paul's truths has given us a mighty stratagem at a time when traditional religious practices have tanked in the 21st century. On page 79 they translated in beautiful English the message of Paul about institutional experts. Paul says, I remind you that it is written in the scriptures, "I will bring to ruin the wisdom of the expert, and I will confound the intelligence of the best and the brightest."

On page 132 Paul continues the verbal slap on the head of the expert and is once again rendered in our contemporary turning of the phrase, "But it must be said, when they become a mutual admiration society and indulge in self-congratulation, they don't know what they are doing." Thus, Paul (the nonexpert) boastfully says, "We were the first to arrive with the world-transforming message about God's Anointed."

...

On page 80 Paul is once again beautifully restored to speak to us about God's Anointed. "God has chosen people who have no status in the world and even those held in contempt, people who count for nothing, in order to bring to nothing those who are thought to be really something, so that no human beings might be full of themsleves in the presence of God. It is God's doing that you belong to the people of the Anointed Jesus. God has made him our wisdom and the source of our goodness and integrity and liberation."
Toto is offline  
Old 11-01-2010, 09:28 PM   #2
Contributor
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Dallas, TX
Posts: 11,525
Default

...if they start translating 'Jesus' too, instead of assuming it's a proper name...
It is God's doing that you belong to the people of the Anointed Savior of God. God has made him our wisdom and the source of our goodness and integrity and liberation.
spamandham is offline  
Old 11-01-2010, 09:46 PM   #3
Banned
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Johannesburg
Posts: 5,187
Default

"... theological accretions and orthodox mandates..."

That has always been the modus operandi of those with religious interests.
The logic applied continues to be in this order:
Firstly, the creation of a dogma;
then find a biblical passage to support it.

Although those "Jesus Seminar" scholars do a great job to demystify the NT, they still earn a living by promoting the Jesus' Cult Paul invented.
Why endorse Paul, when nobody knows if there ever existed an "apostle" with that name?!...
That makes me angry with "Jesus Seminar"!
Like peddling drugs and condemning it.
Julio is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 06:35 PM.

Top

This custom BB emulates vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.