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storytime · 07-11-2009, 04:45 PM

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If they had to pay higher taxes no wonder they rebelled.

Nothing to do with taxes. The first initiation of the war was Eleazar's ceasing of all sacrifices for Rome - this was in effect a declaration of war [Josephus]. The ruling for sacrifices was first initiated by a depraved Roman named Caligula - which Herod refused to enact, knowing it would cause open war. In 66 CE, depraved Nero resurrected this decree - and the rest is history. This was a theological battle for the right to freedom of belief - confronted by the Jews - alone again - naturally. And Mighty Rome lost.

The catholic church, which boastfully prefixed its name with that of depraved Rome - assuming also the heritage of the Hebrew bible, thinking Israel was dead - has never forgiven the Jews for existing and even resurrecting herself and a 2000 year dead language.

If there is ever proof that some Jews revelled with beedy eyes over the death of another Jew at the hands of the Romans, or that there was ever a trial as listed in the Gospels - I would readily agree this was a terrible and evil thing. But the ball is in the hands of the Gospel writers and those who accept those reports as truth: prove it. I know that Mad [2000 lashes per frame] Mel believes it.

The only applicable question is, what if the Gospels report is a total fiction by Rome - like the blood libels and the Protocols. How would Christians respond to the Jews? That's not a hypothetical question.

As the Christian lie is built on the Jewish lie that cancels out your history.

storytime · 07-11-2009, 04:52 PM

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Well, you know what they say about stupid don’t you, Stupid is as stupid does. I guess that makes all the Rabbi’s that question him with the same sort of questions, stupid as well. I guess that makes me stupid, and a liar to boot. I’ll go crawl on my belly for the rest of my days..........and eat dust.

Anyway, I wish you well.

What's up - you equated all people suffered Holocausts under Europe. I say that's not true at all, and while 50 to 100M perished in Europe in a single decade, they were not killed for their religious beliefs by one group claiming LOVE IS ALL YOU NEED, you killed my lord [sic] and they have the only path to salvation. If this is not understood - it paves the way to do the same to others too. The Jews faced two Holocausts by Europe defending their beliefs - and no club med in between.

Well, I'd say it was a step out of one death cult[Judaism] to another[Christianity]. Both in their bloody libels. :Cheeky:

storytime · 07-11-2009, 05:07 PM

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Such was appeasement which makes any thought of tolerating/ignoring the tyrants in Iran quite bleak.

I see Iran as more Christianity's problem - sent as an omen for Europe's hstory with the jews. This regime also says the Jewish temple is a myth: what does that do to the Gospels which says one JC visited this mythical temple?

The Jews have survived three Holocausts - two by Europe, and one by the Arabs: will Europe survive the same when Iran attacks cowardly European infidels? I say Israel must cease from stopping Iran - but also sell her advanced weapons able to reach Europe - at cut price rates. That will be a good answer to Europe and the Arab Regimes.

Every christian knows that Israel is confronting nazi like demands of on-going serial 2-states on the same laughably sized, miniscule land - for *PEACE* [traditional Euro designed peace based on love is all you need!] - and that this has nothing to do with 10 cubits of barren land - and that Christianity is aligning itself with Israel's demise.

My good advice to christians is to thread carefully, and nothing save the restoring of the Balfour will save the day, and apologising for calling both Jews and Muslims as Philistines - that name is not of a middle-eastern people - you dumped this on the jewish homeland in 70 CE - and when this failed - you switched and dumped this on the Arabs! Get real - surely you guys are red faced when no one is looking! :redface:

Your advice? You're in a position to determine political policy or something? I see you as just another war monger who uses your tall tales to threaten and intimidate ignorant people that you hate and want dead. Instead of calling them "Europeans" why not just say what you mean, you want the "pals" (the Christian Americans) killed, don't you? You want the Muslims killed don't you? You're so full of hate you can barely control your venomous knife-in-the-back routine.

IamJoseph · 07-11-2009, 07:39 PM

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The issue concerns history. The Jews paid their taxes. They rejected bowing to a depraved Roman Emperor. A true atheist must thank jews for defending the right to freedom of belief against Rome - and Christianity for that matter. Atheists were burned at the sake by Christianity same as those who never bowed to a divine human. Get it right.

Yes, the issue concerns history. And you don't get to play the Jewish card to your wicked self-serving intent. Get over it Joseph, there are no halo's on your Jewish heads. The Jews were just as depraved, violent and inhumane as any Romans. Both would have killed atheists for not bowing to their supernatural gods. I think, by the way you post, that you'd do the same to atheists today if you had the chance, that is.

The nonsense of a holocaust in 70 CE because taxes was not paid is grotesque. It begs the question if the Nazis also had the same reasonings in the 40's. I don't see your talking history at all - obviously your in denial of all the juicy bits. The obsession for an equivalence is poor fiction: the Jews did not do anything like pre- or post-christian actions, nor do their laws mention any blame for one's beliefs: that is why the Hebrew laws rule the judiciary institutions world-wide. Ex-christian atheists deny all the terrible things of Europe's history as compensation for the rejection of their beliefs. And its easiest to target the scapegoat.

IamJoseph · 07-11-2009, 07:45 PM

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But what was Jewish representation in Rome? Did the Jews get a say in what their tax money got used for? Or was it taxation without representation?

I don't know what Jewish representation there would have been in Rome or Roman government, but I also don't know what Clingon peoples representation would have been in Rome. The Jews were not the only people in subjection to Roman rules ya know. Think outside the Jewish box for a change.

Did the Jews get a say? I have no idea. Did the Jews walk on Roman roads, go to the Collesium for entertainment? Trade and bargain with Romans in goods and services? Did the Jews receive representation in taxes they paid by enjoying a more civilized world of Rome? As Sarah Palin might say: "Ya Betcha!"

Everyone suffered under pre- and post-Roman/Christian rule. Slaves were forever with no means of freedom - in total contradiction of the Hebrew laws. But there was only one group which was monotheist for 2000 years before Rome, with a history of numerous wars for the same reason: they merited special focus. This culminated in the greatest defense for the right to freedom of belief in history. Christianity had no such problem with divine humans. "Ya Betcha!"

IamJoseph · 07-11-2009, 07:51 PM

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But Rome came over to Israel and imposed their rule there. Did Israelis get representation in the Senate? What sort of legitimacy did the Roman govenment have in a modern sense.

And why shouldn't Rome have imposed its rule on Israel? Romans were the victors which left all the other peoples, including the Jewish people, to submit to the power of Rome. Should the Jewish people have been treated more delicately than any other people?

The legitimacy of Rome was in its power to conquer.

The dif between a Roman and a European, is what makes a true monotheist. Its a tough job but someone has to do it. 99.9% of all today's christian ancestors were enforced to believe - and the same ratio holds with all the natives encountered in other invaded lands. This is a hard fact, and it has a hard time competing with a belief.

'BETTER TO DESTROY THEIR BODIES AND SAVE THEIR SOULS' - Gee thanx. :wave:

IamJoseph · 07-11-2009, 08:00 PM

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I see Iran as more Christianity's problem - sent as an omen for Europe's hstory with the jews. This regime also says the Jewish temple is a myth: what does that do to the Gospels which says one JC visited this mythical temple?

The Jews have survived three Holocausts - two by Europe, and one by the Arabs: will Europe survive the same when Iran attacks cowardly European infidels? I say Israel must cease from stopping Iran - but also sell her advanced weapons able to reach Europe - at cut price rates. That will be a good answer to Europe and the Arab Regimes.

Every christian knows that Israel is confronting nazi like demands of on-going serial 2-states on the same laughably sized, miniscule land - for *PEACE* [traditional Euro designed peace based on love is all you need!] - and that this has nothing to do with 10 cubits of barren land - and that Christianity is aligning itself with Israel's demise.

My good advice to christians is to thread carefully, and nothing save the restoring of the Balfour will save the day, and apologising for calling both Jews and Muslims as Philistines - that name is not of a middle-eastern people - you dumped this on the jewish homeland in 70 CE - and when this failed - you switched and dumped this on the Arabs! Get real - surely you guys are red faced when no one is looking! :redface:

Your advice? You're in a position to determine political policy or something? I see you as just another war monger who uses your tall tales to threaten and intimidate ignorant people that you hate and want dead. Instead of calling them "Europeans" why not just say what you mean, you want the "pals" (the Christian Americans) killed, don't you? You want the Muslims killed don't you? You're so full of hate you can barely control your venomous knife-in-the-back routine.

So how would you deal with Europe's two holocausts and going for a third by stealth by joining the death-to-the-jews brigade? Americans were killed not by Jews - they were killed because the European established Regimes were not confronted - and Bush scattered to the Afghan hills - insead of the regimes. Hate was invented by European Christianity [Jews are brn of the devil] and than in the Quran [death to the Jews]. But hate comes from here:

FIRST THE SATURDAY PEOPLE - THEN THE SUNDAY PEOPLE.

IamJoseph · 07-11-2009, 08:06 PM

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Gday,

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[e.e. Immaculate birth

Now there's a first !

We've all seen plenty of people confuse the Virgin Birth with the Immaculate Conception (complete different events.)

But this is the first time I have ever heard of an
"immaculate birth".

Did that come before or after the Virgin Conception I wonder?
:-)

K.

The only confusion is that islam condones the virgin birth while rejecting the resurrection. Two total contradictions which have stuffed humanity, history, theology and all sanity. How does one resolve the Christian/Islamic confusion? Let's bash the jews! But confusion is really the result of an error or a lie [check with any court] - and a lie has a use-by date.

IamJoseph · 07-11-2009, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by storytime

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Nothing to do with taxes. The first initiation of the war was Eleazar's ceasing of all sacrifices for Rome - this was in effect a declaration of war [Josephus]. The ruling for sacrifices was first initiated by a depraved Roman named Caligula - which Herod refused to enact, knowing it would cause open war. In 66 CE, depraved Nero resurrected this decree - and the rest is history. This was a theological battle for the right to freedom of belief - confronted by the Jews - alone again - naturally. And Mighty Rome lost.

The catholic church, which boastfully prefixed its name with that of depraved Rome - assuming also the heritage of the Hebrew bible, thinking Israel was dead - has never forgiven the Jews for existing and even resurrecting herself and a 2000 year dead language.

If there is ever proof that some Jews revelled with beedy eyes over the death of another Jew at the hands of the Romans, or that there was ever a trial as listed in the Gospels - I would readily agree this was a terrible and evil thing. But the ball is in the hands of the Gospel writers and those who accept those reports as truth: prove it. I know that Mad [2000 lashes per frame] Mel believes it.

The only applicable question is, what if the Gospels report is a total fiction by Rome - like the blood libels and the Protocols. How would Christians respond to the Jews? That's not a hypothetical question.

As the Christian lie is built on the Jewish lie that cancels out your history.

Specially divine Romans?

IamJoseph · 07-11-2009, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by storytime

Well, I'd say it was a step out of one death cult[Judaism] to another[Christianity]. Both in their bloody libels. :Cheeky:

Not the 9 O'clock News [viewer caution]:

http://www.davidhorowitztv.com/other...-geert-wilders

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