QuestionMark

An inspirational quote from Jesus.

(Luke 19:27), Take my enemies, who would not have me rule over them, bring them here, and kill them before me.

A loving Jesus?

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Huon

First, you should prove that Luke 19:27 was really said by a guy named Yeshuah, then, when and where... Hard job.

Palestine, now Israel, has always been full of nationalists of all sorts.

andrewcriddle

Strictly speaking this is something said by a character in a story told by Jesus.

Andrew Criddle

rizdek

Perhaps, but who is the character in the story supposed to represent?

fatpie42

God.

This of course leads to the next issue of whether the writer actually believed Jesus to be God-incarnate. If the writer did not consider Jesus to be God-incarnate, Jesus is most certainly not referring to himself in the passage.

Considering the kind of events which happen in the Tanakh, it's hardly surprising that Jesus characterises God in this way.

grip_daddy

Jesus, after all, is coming back to kill all heretics, bigots, and fools. He is coming back to kill his enemies? Yap, that's the message of the Second Advent.

QuestionMark

Jesus Soprano Christ!

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IamJoseph

Palestine did not exist then - it was Judea. And till the 1960's the only peoples called palestineans were Jews.

mountainman

Dear QuestionMark,

Stirring nationalistic rhetoric! But who were the christians? Here the new nation of christians is being defined. Here the clever new testament editor is establishing the enemies of the new and strange kingdom of "Christendom". Elsewhere, the "enemies" are depicted as the heathen, the gentiles, the Hellenistic nations, and the Jews, and all those nations "who would not have me rule over them".

That particular phrase was very useful for a centralised state monotheistic religion based on the new testament gibberish as "canonical". The NT was a political contrivance. Fully indexed with ready-reckoners and quick-reference "who said what" and "who agreed with whom in what" called the Eusebian canon tables which are present in one of the oldest codices.

By the codex ye shall rule.
They wrote the codex.
It was high technology!
And highway robbery.

Best wishes,


Pete

IamJoseph

Will he also go back and deal with the Romans - who murdered millions for their right to their own belief? :constern01: