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Old 09-07-2011, 02:21 PM   #1
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Default Does παραλαμβανω require a teacher-student relationship?

Used in 1 Cor 15 to describe how 'Paul' received the information regarding Jesus' resurrection, spin and I have been going back and forth. He maintains that the word requires a teacher-student relationship and supplied the following as evidence http://books.google.com/books?id=8dA...page&q&f=false, which says the term refers to

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"transmission, and not merely tradition, of the exact words of a teacher just as he spoke them".
I pointed out that the blueletterbible is much more liberal and allows for any kind of transmission of information.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/...gs=G3880&t=KJV

I also argued that it seems reasonable to use the same word for passing along a creed or tradition which is meant to be used for instruction regardless of the relationship between the passer and receiver.

Does anyone here know the answer?
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spin is correct. Look at Liddell and Scott

http://books.google.com/books?id=xvE...page&q&f=false

and spin isn't this Tim O'Neill guy everyone thinks he is. I think I know who spin is and I would never reveal his identity to anyone. He's actually a really nice guy. I've suspected it for some time.
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and spin isn't this Tim O'Neill guy everyone thinks he is. I think I know who spin is and I would never reveal his identity to anyone. He's actually a really nice guy. I've suspected it for some time.


Of course Spin isnt Tim O'Neill. Unless he is masochist.

Why on earth would anyone think Spin is not a nice guy though?
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spin is correct. Look at Liddell and Scott

http://books.google.com/books?id=xvE...page&q&f=false
I don't really know what TedM wants. I cited L&S and he ignored it. I cited the scholars and he ignored them. He's content with the blueletterbible. That's sufficient for him. Whatever, here's Kittle's Dictionary.
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spin is correct. Look at Liddell and Scott

http://books.google.com/books?id=xvE...page&q&f=false
I don't really know what TedM wants. I cited L&S and he ignored it. I cited the scholars and he ignored them. He's content with the blueletterbible. That's sufficient for him. Whatever, here's Kittle's Dictionary.
It seems odd that neither Paul or the alleged interpolator would not have named the source of the knowledge if it was supposed to have been from someone of a high authority.

I'm going to probably take a leave from the site for an undetermined amount of time as my mother was admitted to the hospital tonight, but will check back at some point to see if anyone has more to add on the topic.

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It seems odd that neither Paul or the alleged interpolator would not have named the source of the knowledge if it was supposed to have been from someone of a high authority.
His source was Jesus. The Catholics edited the material. Just ask Marcion.
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I don't really know what TedM wants. I cited L&S and he ignored it. I cited the scholars and he ignored them. He's content with the blueletterbible. That's sufficient for him. Whatever, here's Kittle's Dictionary.
It seems odd that neither Paul or the alleged interpolator would not have named the source of the knowledge if it was supposed to have been from someone of a high authority.
Not odd at all. The transmission and reception are the important things. Besides, you already know the proclaiming "we" from the first part of the letter.

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I'm going to probably take a leave from the site for an undetermined amount of time as my mother was admitted to the hospital tonight,
Commiserations.
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It seems odd that neither Paul or the alleged interpolator would not have named the source of the knowledge if it was supposed to have been from someone of a high authority.
But he does tell us - he got it from the highest authority possible, from the horse's mouth itself.
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It seems odd that neither Paul or the alleged interpolator would not have named the source of the knowledge if it was supposed to have been from someone of a high authority.
But he does tell us - he got it from the highest authority possible, from the horse's mouth itself.
And you BELIEVE "Paul"? A "vision or hallucination" is the highest authority?

Not even in the Jesus stories would the very disciples Believe Jesus was RAISED from the dead UNTIL he ATE FOOD and was Physically EXAMINED.

Lu 24:39 -
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Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: HANDLE ME, and SEE, for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
When did "Paul" HANDLE Jesus to show his AUTHORITY to those BEFORE him?

Visions and Hallucinations are NOT sources of AUTHORITY.
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Used in 1 Cor 15 to describe how 'Paul' received the information regarding Jesus' resurrection, spin and I have been going back and forth. He maintains that the word requires a teacher-student relationship and supplied the following as evidence http://books.google.com/books?id=8dA...page&q&f=false, which says the term refers to

Quote:
"transmission, and not merely tradition, of the exact words of a teacher just as he spoke them".
I pointed out that the blueletterbible is much more liberal and allows for any kind of transmission of information.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/...gs=G3880&t=KJV

I also argued that it seems reasonable to use the same word for passing along a creed or tradition which is meant to be used for instruction regardless of the relationship between the passer and receiver.

Does anyone here know the answer?

Received (3880) (paralambano [word study] from pará = from or alongside, beside + lambáno = take, receive) characteristically means to accept a fixed tradition. This word in the Greek was used regularly of receiving truth from a teacher


In the Greek Testament this word seem to acquire an extended meaning.
Paralambano is the verb especially used of receiving a message or body of instruction handed down by tradition, to be delivered (paradidomi) to others in turn.


The use of paralambano in the Greek Testament does not necessarily require a formal teacher-student relationship.
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