arnoldo

Sorry, were the Greeks ever scattered among the nations for two thousand years, while Greece laid in ruins, and then miraculously return to it's homeland in absolute fulfillment of prophecy? I like the fact that Johny S. calls this "a self-fulfilled prophecy" meaning that the prophecy came true. He neglects the fact that all throughout the old testament God uses the military/politics of other nations for his own good purpose.:wave:

Johnny Skeptic

Message to arnoldo: Why did God promise to give the land of Canaan to Abraham and then refuse to give it to him?

Ok, why did God promise to give the land of Canaan to Issac and then refuse to give it to him?

Johnny Skeptic

No. Does the partition of Palestine prove the existence of the God of the Bible? No, because Genesis 17:8 says that God would give Abraham and his descendants ALL of the land of Canaan. You yourself said that the Jews have never occupied all of the land of Canaan, meaning that the Jews could not possibly have restored a nation they they never had. Following your same line of reasoning, if the Jews occupied one square mile of Palestine, which is approximately the same land as the ancient land of Canaan, that would be fulfillment of Bible prophecy. Genesis 17:8 does not say anything about Jerusalem. All that it mentions is all of the land of Canaan.

If the Bible did not say that the Jews were God's chosen people, would the partition of Palestine have occurred the way that it occurred? Of course not, which proves that the Partition of Palestine was self-fulfilled, Bible based prophecy. No Bible, no Partition of Palestine.

Johnny Skeptic

Message to arnoldo: Where did the Jews get the military equipment and money from that enabled them to partition Palestine? Answer, 100% from Jews, Christians, and countries with predominantly Christian populations and governments, and yet would have people believe that the Partition of Palestine was not a self-fulfilled prophecy?

When Abraham murdered the Canaanites and stole parts of Canaan from them, would you like to claim that that was not a self-fulfilled prophecy?

Johnny Skeptic

Oh, the Jews are only a minor problem. The major problem is God. With parasites alone, God has killed more people than all of the wars in history, with no possible benefits for himself or for anyone else.

The only reason that Jews and Arabs have ever had any problems is because God made sure that they were in the same places at the same times. This is analogous to the detestible, unlawful practice of cockfighting. Cocks would not fight unless humans put them in the same places at the same times. Why didn't God enable the Jews to set up a homeland where they did not have to murder anyone to establish their homeland? Or, why didn't God give the Jews enough money to legally purchase Canaan from the Canaanites?

Why do animals kill each other? From a Christian perspective, because God put them in the same places at the same time, and forced them to kill each other.

sugarhitman

The problem with your little analogy is that the greek gods did not make any prophecies concerning the greek peoples. The God of the Jews did. Israel is hard evidence that God sits on His throne....He exist. :wave:

makerowner

You've obviously never read the Iliad or the Odyssey, or even a basic introduction to Greek religion. Have you ever heard of the Oracle at Delphi? Prophecy was a key part of their religion.

arnoldo

The descendants of Abraham, the jews/israelis, are currently at this very moment in the promised land, you call this a self-fulfilled prophecy. In any event the prophecy was fulfilled, you neglect that God frequently uses military/politics of other nations for his own purposes. The Canaanites no longer exist at all. Sorry, the palestians are not canaanites.

arnoldo

I have read the Odyssey and have visited Greece and actually went to Delphi. Did the Greek Prophecies ever come true? If so please list examples.

sugarhitman

Tell us what are these prophecies were they fulfilled?