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The last Roman king
Shia Muslims believe their 12th Imam has become invisible and he will return and kill lots of people and then he will be killed by an Iranian woman.
In their history books it is said that his father was the 11th Imam, and his mother was a roman woman. It is said that the roman woman was the daughter of the last king of Romans, the Caesar of the Rome, who was enslaved when Muslims toppled the Roman Empire. She had seen the 11th imam in her dreams and she knew that she will marry to this Imam. She converts to Islam after she had this dream. And the fairy tale continues… I need to investigate this further, who was the last king of Romans? This Imam has lived between 846 and 874, could anything like that happen? |
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812: a peace treaty between Charlemagne and the Eastern Roman Empire surrenders Venezia to the Eastern empire but grants Venezia the right to trade with the Holy Roman Empire
813: an Armenian general becomes eastern Roman emperor Leo V 840: Basil's fleet retakes Bari from the Muslims 843: Icons are restored 846: the city of Roma has 17,000 inhabitants 860: the Rus attack Constantinople 867: Basil I becomes the Byzantine emperor and founds the Macedonian dynasty 879: Basil I defeats the Arabs and reconquers Cappadocia This is part of the roman empire timeline taken from: http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/romans.html Apparently there WERE tensions between Muslims and the Romans at the time... But could the daughter of the King become enslaved at the time? |
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There is a timeline of the Roman Empire here. By 846-874, the Roman Empire as we think of it was over, but had been replaced by the Holy Roman Empire (neither Holy nor Roman nor an Empire, as it was said.)
You myth is discussed here: The Myth of the Shi’i Mahdi Quote:
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The last Byzantine Emperor died fighting on the walls of Constantinople,--so I would say that your faiytale is just that, and a load of poppycock as well. |
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If I'm not mistaken, there are various views among the Shi'ah as to exactly which Imam became "mahdi," or "hidden," or "occultated," and will return to kick some major Sunni butt. I think that some believe it was the seventh, and some the twelfth, and maybe a couple of other numbers besides. Your Shi'ah would be called "twelvers" because they believe it is the twelfth Imam. Interestingly enough, several people in the 19th century declared themselves to be the Imam Mahdi. Of these the best known in the west was Baha'u'llah
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Thanks a lot for your replies.
Now let's forget the last Roman king, is this possibe that the Roman princess of the time becomes enslaved by Muslim army? I mean is there any account for that? |
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A geneology of Basil I does not show any daughters.
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In 1811 Napoleon revived the title 'king of the Romans' for his son. But we won't count that. The boy died in 1832.
Before that, the last king [rex] of the Romans was Lucius Tarquinius Superbus, who was deposed in 509 BC. The last Roman emperor [imperator] in the West was Romulus Augustulus, who was deposed in AD 476. Islam's only contact with any rulers styling themselves 'of the Romans' was with the Roman Empire in the East, with its capital at Constantinople (Byzantium, Istanbul). The last Roman emperor [basileus] in the East (Byzantine emperor) was Constantine XI (Constantine Dragases), who was killed in the (unsuccessful) defence of Constantinople against the Turks, in AD 1453. |
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