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Steven Carr · 03-22-2004, 06:17 PM

2 Baruch 50 says
'1 And He answered and said unto me:
'Hear, Baruch, this word,
And write in the remembrance of your heart all that you shall learn.
2 For the earth shall then assuredly restore the dead,
It shall make no change in their form,
But as it has received, so shall it restore them,
And as I delivered them unto it, so also shall it raise them.'

Could the idea that the restoration of the dead will initially make no change in their form, have influenced the idea that Jesus would still have had the wounds in his side when he was restored from the dead?

MortalWombat · 03-23-2004, 07:54 AM

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Originally posted by Steven Carr
Could the idea that the restoration of the dead will initially make no change in their form, have influenced the idea that Jesus would still have had the wounds in his side when he was restored from the dead?

Robert Price thinks that the reason that John has Jesus stabbed (which doesn't occur in the other gospels) might be a rebuttal to other resurrection accounts in which it isn't clear how (or if) Jesus really died. Price remarks on John's vehement "protesting too much" about this point:

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Some readers may object that John's gospel has Jesus stabbed in the ribcage while crucified (19:34) and then later has Thomas probe the spear wound to demonstrate that Jesus was truly dead and equally truly restored to life (20:27). But the "protesting too much" vehemence of this narrative (especially 19:35) makes it obvious that John was trying to rebut a rival version of the story in which it was not so clear Jesus had really died (instead, perhaps, he had revived from his coma and gone among the Diaspora to teach the Greeks, John 7:35). Thus John furnishes us with the exception that proves the rule.

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John 19:
34 Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus' side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water. 35 The man who saw it has given testimony, and his testimony is true. He knows that he tells the truth, and he testifies so that you also may believe.

From here, in the section Innocence Rescued.

03-22-2004, 06:17 PM	#1
Steven Carr Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: England Posts: 5,629	The influence of 2 Baruch on resurrection appearances 2 Baruch 50 says '1 And He answered and said unto me: 'Hear, Baruch, this word, And write in the remembrance of your heart all that you shall learn. 2 For the earth shall then assuredly restore the dead, It shall make no change in their form, But as it has received, so shall it restore them, And as I delivered them unto it, so also shall it raise them.' Could the idea that the restoration of the dead will initially make no change in their form, have influenced the idea that Jesus would still have had the wounds in his side when he was restored from the dead?

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