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Must all Christians be inerrantists?
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Glenn Miller is a very intelligent and well-educated fundamentalist Christian. His extensive web site is at http://www.christian-thinktank.com/. Following are exceprts from an article that I found at his web site: http://www.christian-thinktank.com/let1101.html Quote:
Now how in the world does Miller expect millions of people over the last 2,000 years who did not know how to read and write, and did not live near anyone who had read the Bible, to find "multiple 'clues' scattered throughout a linguistic statement (written or oral) that allow us to 'construct' any missing piece or 're-construct' any erroneous piece"? Regarding "The result is simply that I cannot find a demonstrable error, and the consequence in terms of my worldview is that I believe the original OT and NT texts (most of which we seem to have, buried in the various textual traditions--a DIFFERENT issue altogether) were/are without errors in matters of fact," there are not any demonstrable errors in copies of the New York Times either, but what does that prove? What demonstrable errors has Miller found in deism? It certainly is not difficult to find needless demonstrable confusion in the Bible. The issue of slavery is a good example. There is no doubt that the Bible does not do a good job of addressing the issue of slavery. It would be nice if Miller would explain why God did not inspire the Bible writers to write more clearly. For instance, the accounts of the events of the tomb could surely have been written much more clearly in ways that would have discourage dissent instead of inviting dissent. I think that Miller has Master's degree in philosophy, and a Master's degree in computer science. James Holding is a big fan of his. |
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Any religious organisation that list something like the following:
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In my opinion, a loving, rational God would not use copies of copies of ancient texts as a primary means of communicating with humans. |
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John I have claimed to be both Christian an a non inerrantist.I know you take exception to this and perhaps it is a oxymoron.Or you may just think of me as a moron
In any case,I can not in good conscience say that the bible I hold in my hand has no scriptures at all that are free from error or possible contradiction.Considering our Old testament is derived from the Masorectic Text,as opposed to the Septuagint causes problems to begin with. Consider the problem with Hebrew 10 vs 5 in comparison to Psalms 40 vs 6 and C I Scofields explanation for the discrepancy.Wherefore when he cometh into the world,he saith,sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not,but a body hast thou pepared me;Psa 40 6:Sacrifice and offering thou didst notdesire;mine ears hast thou opened;burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required. Scofields explanation: This quotation from Ps.40:6 Follows the LXX,with a minor variation,instead of the Hebrew,as do many of the several hundred quotations of the O.T.Found in the N.T.quotations are used in various ways1) Invariably the authors attribute unqualified divine authority the O.T.,in some instances basing their argument on one word Mt 2:15;22:43-45;Jhn 10:34;19:36-37;Rom4:3 etc...(2) The Septuagint is usually employed,as it is here in Hebrews in the same way as an english translation may be quoted today(Mt 1:23cp.Isa 7:14 in LXX)(3)Variations in quotations may originate in the desire to translate the the original Hebrew more accurately than the LXX(1 Cor 14:21:cpIsa 28:11-12 in LXX and Hebrew).(4)Many quotations were not intended to be verbatim,but are paraphrases designed to bring out the meaning or particular application(Gal 4.30:cp.Gen 21.10).(5)Some quotations are a summary of O.T. truth taken from several passages,giving the sense if not the exact words of the original(Rom11.26-27:cp.Isa.59.20-21and Isa27.9).(6)In some cases the quotation is only an allusion and is not intended to be an exact quotation(Rom 9.27:cp.Isa10.22-23).And(7) the Holy Spirit who inspired the O.T. was free to reword a quotation just as a human author may restate his own writings in other words without impugning the accuracy of the original statement(mt 2.6:cp.Mic5.2)The doctrine of plenary inspiration requires only that revelation be expressed without error. Perhaps this does not represent an example of errancy;however it does show how verses can say different things and yet not be problematic or considered error. Also a leading atheist Frank Zidler said this (although being sarcastic) The problem for the true believers is this:The Greek version (Septuagint) reflects a Hebrew text more than a thousand years older than the Hebrew text used as the standard for thekjv.Shouldn't we follow the Greek even if it is a translation instead of the Hebrew?It should be noted that the authors of the N.T. when citing the O.T. cited it in Greek resembling the LXX far more often than the Masorectic Textus Receptus.If the LXX was good enough for Jesus,shouldn't it be good enough for the Presbyterians? Whose says atheist have nothing of value to say. Lets look at some key differences between the LXX and the MT Where the LXX seems to be superior: Age of Levitical service,MT: Num 4.3,23,30,35,39 the age of the Levitical priest qualified to minister in the Temple was between 30 to 50.MT Num 8.24 the ages between 25 to 50 In the LXX both chps say between 25-50 each time no discrepancy.How many years of famine? 2 Sam 24.13 7 years,1Chr 21.12 3 years.LXX Reads 3 years in both.Notice Luke 3.36 that Cainan is within the lineage of Christ,yet not found in Gen 11.12The LXX does include Cainan agrees with Luke,and many more. Louis Cappel,Hebrew Scholar says the various readings in the O.T. text and the differences between the ancient versions and the MT convinced him that the integrity of the Hebrew text as held by Protestants,was UNTENABLE.This amounted to an attack upon the verbal inspiration of scripture,bitter however as was the opposition,it was not long before his results were accepted by Scholars. There is even support for the idea that the Talmudic Masorectic Jews intentionally corrupted the MT. Justin Martyr in his dialogue with Trypho declares:They have altogether taken away many scriptures from the translations effected by those sevnty elders was with Ptolemy and by which this very man who was crucified is proved to be have been set forth expressly a God and man. So yes I have no problem saying my bible has issues,and no I don't have to stick my head in the sand and say it does not in order to remain a Christian. |
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