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countjulian · 02-17-2006, 05:23 PM

For my part, I think Diogenes to be the greater man, if only for not condemning his enemies to any hell but the ones they create on earth for themselves.

countjulian · 02-17-2006, 05:57 PM

Want some more on Diogenes? See here http://classicpersuasion.org/pw/diogenes/dldiogenes.htm

Diogenes the Cynic · 02-17-2006, 10:00 PM

My modesty prevents me from voting.

FYI, the Jesus of the Gospels did nor condemn anyone to hell either.

Benni72 · 02-18-2006, 03:30 AM

Is the question supposed to mean "who of the two was greater" or "who was the greatest sage ever"? In the second case, I guess there are some more candidates, such as Buddha, Socrates, maybe Epicurus.

countjulian · 02-18-2006, 06:56 AM

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Is the question supposed to mean "who of the two was greater" or "who was the greatest sage ever"? In the second case, I guess there are some more candidates, such as Buddha, Socrates, maybe Epicurus.

I agree with you totally, but since I was justing reading up on Diogenes, I merely wanted to know your opinions.

EssEff · 02-18-2006, 08:06 AM

What? Lao Tzu isn't an option?

Diogenes the Cynic · 02-18-2006, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Scifinerdgrl

What? Lao Tzu isn't an option?

It can be stated with much greater confidence than for Jesus that Lao Tse is a completely mythical character.

countjulian · 02-18-2006, 02:33 PM

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He wasn't actually threatening to do anything personally (I would argue that Jesus never claimed to be God or that he would personally pass judgement on anyone). Gehenna, in ancient Jewish eschatology was a place of annihilation. It was believed that all people would be resurrected and judged. The good people got eternal life, the bad people got destroyed in Gehenna (which was and is a real valley in Jerusalem).

We're not dealing with the historical Jesus, just the Jesus of the gospels.

HiddenWolf · 02-18-2006, 02:48 PM

I chose Jesus just for being more gutsy and using more brainteasing allegories (esp in the Gospel of Thomas, if the apocrypha count).

countjulian · 02-18-2006, 04:04 PM

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(esp in the Gospel of Thomas, if the apocrypha count).

That's why I said the "canonical" Jesus, or the Jesus that Christians worship today.

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countjulian Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In the torture chambers of Pinochet's Chile Posts: 2,112	Want some more on Diogenes? See here http://classicpersuasion.org/pw/diogenes/dldiogenes.htm

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Benni72 Regular Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Rostock, Germany Posts: 143	Is the question supposed to mean "who of the two was greater" or "who was the greatest sage ever"? In the second case, I guess there are some more candidates, such as Buddha, Socrates, maybe Epicurus.

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