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Old 04-02-2008, 03:20 PM   #111
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So sugarhitman is a Muslim now? Congratulations!!
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Old 04-02-2008, 07:57 PM   #112
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Could both Darius and Cyrus have shared power with Cyrus being more powerful and known?
Could be. Could be that Bush and Gore decided to resolve the 2000 election dispute by being co-presidents, and Bush turned out to be the more powerful and known. And there could be a couple of elephants dancing in my kitchen. But there's no evidence of those claims, either. Could be a dog sleeping in my kitchen, though. And there is evidence for that. Funny thing, evidence: it's usually a pretty good indicator of which beliefs and claims and speculations are actually true.
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Could be. Could be that Bush and Gore decided to resolve the 2000 election dispute by being co-presidents, and Bush turned out to be the more powerful and known. And there could be a couple of elephants dancing in my kitchen. But there's no evidence of those claims, either. Could be a dog sleeping in my kitchen, though. And there is evidence for that. Funny thing, evidence: it's usually a pretty good indicator of which beliefs and claims and speculations are actually true.
Exactly what I was going to say. I think all of our carefully worded arguments are falling upon deaf ears.
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Old 04-02-2008, 10:15 PM   #114
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If there was a verse indicating that God would walk through people's kitchen through the night, and someone heard something but didn't find anything, it would get interpreted as God having walked through the kitchen.

"It's right there in the Bible!"
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someone heard something
A bit of a stringent requirement, that.
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Old 04-03-2008, 12:13 AM   #116
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what about the fundamental stupidity, sillyness and retardedness and i dunno, weird mindedness of the idea of a creator who creates the entire concept of divine prophecy?

the stupid idea that the grand being thinks its funny to "tell us a little"

"tell us a little more"

"tell us a little mooooore"

its just silly and goofy

"and one day, everything will be right, at least for some of you"

"and one day, someday, someone will come who will tell you a little moooore!"

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A bit of a stringent requirement, that.
It sure is, but you know, believing is the evidence for the existence of the unseen.
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Old 04-03-2008, 05:52 AM   #118
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sugarhitman:

When posting an April Fool joke, it's only good manners to discontinue the joke after April 1st has passed.

It is now April 3rd.

There are absolutely NO verifiably-successful prophecies in the Bible, and the examples you gave have been debunked before (and you know this). In particular, you have misinterpreted Daniel, and you're actually citing FALSE prophecies regarding Israel (every "prophecy" of Israel's scattering was written AFTER a scattering, and every "prophet" who has ever claimed that Israel would be protected from FUTURE scatterings was proved wrong).

Joke over.

...If you were serious about this, then all you've "proved" is that your religion is built on sand. Congratulations. However, I already knew that.
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Old 04-03-2008, 06:01 AM   #119
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There are not any reasonable motives why a God would make 100% disputable prophecies when he could easily make 100% indisputable prophecies. If Jesus had predicted when and where some natural disasters would occur, month, day, and year, very few people would have disputed that he could predict the future. Since the Bible says that God is not the author of confusion, and the Bible has caused a lot of confusion, it is a virtual given that the God of the Bible does not exist. If a God did inspire the Bible, obviously, the Bible writers misrepresented what he is like.
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Maybe because Medo-Persia was a dual power with the Persians being more powerful (the higher horn) maybe Darius because he was a Mede was obscured by Cyrus's glory. Thus the silence in the historical records.

"In the first year of Darius the son of Ahasuerus of the seed of the Medes, which was made *king over the realm of the Chaldeans*. Could both Darius and Cyrus have shared power with Cyrus being more powerful and known?
The hardcore fits of irony of my co-participants asside, and giving you the benefit of the doubt, at most we can say these are questions for the archæologists to decide, but until then you CANNOT say the prophecies are fulfilled. Right now, 4/3/2008, there is a disagreement between Daniel and what we know from history/archæology.
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