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Johnny Skeptic · 03-01-2008, 08:55 AM

Message to arnoldo: Please make a post in my new thread at http://iidb.infidels.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=238200 at the GRD Forum. The title of the thread is 'Words do not confirm miracles. Miracles confirm words.'

arnoldo · 03-01-2008, 08:59 AM

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Message to arnoldo: Please make a post in my new thread at http://iidb.infidels.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=238200 at the GRD Forum. The title of the thread is 'Words do not confirm miracles. Miracles confirm words.'

I'm too scared

Johnny Skeptic · 03-01-2008, 09:14 AM

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Message to arnoldo: Please make a post in my new thread at http://iidb.infidels.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=238200 at the GRD Forum. The title of the thread is 'Words do not confirm miracles. Miracles confirm words.'

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I'm too scared.

If you are not confident of your debating abilities, that is fine with me.

Clivedurdle · 03-01-2008, 09:14 AM

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and so far it's doesn't appear the secular humanists have any solutions.

I have now seen this repeated a couple of times, is it the latest theist ploy?

How exactly did theology solve this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox

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Smallpox is believed to have emerged in human populations about 10,000 BC.[2] The disease killed an estimated 400,000 Europeans each year during the 18th century (including five reigning monarchs), and was responsible for a third of all blindness.[3] Between 20 and 60% of all those infected—and over 80% of infected children—died from the disease.[6]

During the 20th century, it is estimated that smallpox was responsible for 300–500 million deaths.[7][8] As recently as 1967, the World Health Organization (WHO) estimated that 15 million people contracted the disease and that two million died in that year.[9] After successful vaccination campaigns throughout the 19th and 20th centuries, the WHO certified the eradication of smallpox in 1979.[9] To this day, smallpox is the only human infectious disease to have been completely eradicated from nature.[10]

arnoldo · 03-01-2008, 09:20 AM

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and so far it's doesn't appear the secular humanists have any solutions.

I have now seen this repeated a couple of times, is it the latest theist ploy?

How exactly did theology solve this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox

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Smallpox is believed to have emerged in human populations about 10,000 BC.[2] The disease killed an estimated 400,000 Europeans each year during the 18th century (including five reigning monarchs), and was responsible for a third of all blindness.[3] Between 20 and 60% of all those infected—and over 80% of infected children—died from the disease.[6]

During the 20th century, it is estimated that smallpox was responsible for 300–500 million deaths.[7][8] As recently as 1967, the World Health Organization (WHO) estimated that 15 million people contracted the disease and that two million died in that year.[9] After successful vaccination campaigns throughout the 19th and 20th centuries, the WHO certified the eradication of smallpox in 1979.[9] To this day, smallpox is the only human infectious disease to have been completely eradicated from nature.[10]

The following quote is ALLEGED to be from Louis Pasteur

Source: Louis Pasteur From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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"The more I know, the more nearly is my faith that of the Breton peasant. Could I but know all I would have the faith of a Breton peasant's wife."[3]

Sheshonq · 03-01-2008, 09:21 AM

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Arnoldo, I do not believe that it is all nonsense. "IT", The "Old Testament", "New Testament", "the Apocrypha of both", the "writings of the Church Fathers", and all other "Christian" literature, IS all "religiously motivated propaganda" and all were composed with very little regard for actual truth or history, existing only to support "The religious System" through the means of religious deception.

Thanks for the clarification . However even it it's all a religious deception it's still worth studying since "it," the OT/NT, has had such an impact on our world. Western Civilization is largely based on the Judeo/Christian ethic and Greco-Roman politics. Sadly, we seem to be living in a post- christian world and so far it's doesn't appear the secular humanists have any solutions.

What solutions did religion ever give us?

Then compare against the solutions that the Renaissance, Enlightnment, and scientific method have given us.

I'd say that secular humanism wins by, oh, about a BILLION points.

:rolling: :rolling: :rolling:

Sheshonq · 03-01-2008, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by arnoldo

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Originally Posted by Clivedurdle

I have now seen this repeated a couple of times, is it the latest theist ploy?

How exactly did theology solve this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox

The following quote is ALLEGED to be from Louis Pasteur

How does a quote from Pasteur answer Clivedurdle's question about smallpox?
Answer: it doesn't.

Is this another one of your attempts to change the subject?

arnoldo · 03-01-2008, 09:27 AM

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Thanks for the clarification . However even it it's all a religious deception it's still worth studying since "it," the OT/NT, has had such an impact on our world. Western Civilization is largely based on the Judeo/Christian ethic and Greco-Roman politics. Sadly, we seem to be living in a post- christian world and so far it's doesn't appear the secular humanists have any solutions.

What solutions did religion ever give us?

Then compare against the solutions that the Renaissance, Enlightnment, and scientific method have given us.

I'd say that secular humanism wins by, oh, about a BILLION points.

:rolling: :rolling: :rolling:

Fine, I guess the religous are just standing in the way of the secular humanists creating some kind of utopia on earth, right?

Sheshonq · 03-01-2008, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by arnoldo

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Originally Posted by Sheshonq

What solutions did religion ever give us?

Then compare against the solutions that the Renaissance, Enlightnment, and scientific method have given us.

I'd say that secular humanism wins by, oh, about a BILLION points.

:rolling: :rolling: :rolling:

Fine, I guess the religous are just standing in the way of the secular humanists creating some kind of utopia on earth, right?

Religion (and the religious people who try and enforce it on society, schools and government) are probably the biggest barrier to social and scientific progress today. Once somebody gets it into their head that "God told them such-and-such", they turn their brains off and you can't reason with them anymore. At that point, it doesn't matter if you have twenty truckloads of proof that they're wrong, they won't believe you because their religious beliefs operate outside of evidence.

Such people are dangerous, and should not be allowed in schools, government, or any other position where they can impact or influence society.

Sound like anyone you know, arnoldo?
:rolling: :rolling: :rolling:

arnoldo · 03-01-2008, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by arnoldo

Fine, I guess the religous are just standing in the way of the secular humanists creating some kind of utopia on earth, right?

Religion (and the religious people who try and enforce it on society, schools and government) are probably the biggest barrier to social and scientific progress today.

Yeah, fundies are the root of all evil :devil1:

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